Hi Mikael,

> On Mar 11, 2019, at 08:08, Mikael Abrahamsson <swm...@swm.pp.se> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 10 Mar 2019, Jonathan Morton wrote:
> 
>> An interesting idea, but SCE marks will appear even when there's a lot of 
>> congestion (at high rates, ie. probably every packet that doesn't carry CE), 
>> as well as showing up at low frequency when the level of congestion only 
>> warrants reducing the growth rate.  I think the word "Some" is sufficiently 
>> descriptive, while "Slight" might cause people to ignore it completely.
> 
> One way to handle this would be "buffering experienced" or something like 
> that. Ie if this packet is being enqueued into a buffer with non-trivial 
> number of packets in it, mark it.
> 
> The L4S proposal also has the property that their use of this last code point 
> combination in the entire packet header (and this is a big thing, this is the 
> last unicorn) also meant the packet was allowed to be re-ordered.

        How is packet reordering for anybody but the folks responsible for 
operating the "conduits" in any way attractive? 




> I thought this was a big and nice thing, for other areas. This new proposal 
> removes that property.
> 
> From what I can see, L4S actually is quite novel and has the chance to 
> seriously change the way queueing is done. This proposal seems more like "a 
> little more of what we had before" which I do not think warrants claiming 
> this last unicorn codepoint.

        I would argue that evolutionary changes tend to look mostly like "more 
of the old, just a little different" sothis might be considered a plus for this 
proposal ;)

Best Regards
        Sebastian


> I'd like its use to be truly novel and be more than a tweak.
> 
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> Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swm...@swm.pp.se
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