On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Andrew Grieve <agri...@chromium.org> wrote:
> Bugs that I'd like to see fixed before the RC: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-1603 > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-1604 > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-1570 1570 is already marked closed? > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-1563 > > We should be able to fix these over the next couple of days though. Want to > aim for cutting the RC Thursday? > > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote: > > > Agree that tagging 2.2.0rc1 is the right thing to do at this point. > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Becky Gibson <gibson.be...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > I think we have a pretty good handle on the iOS 6 bugs. Most of the > ones > > > reported recently have already been fixed and committed. I would push > > for > > > a release candidate this week so we can start focusing on testing and > bug > > > fixes rather than continue to add more features and optimizations. I > > > think once we have a release candidate we will get more feedback from > > users > > > who are not comfortable taking an edge build. This will get us more > real > > > world iOS 6 testing. > > > > > > -becky > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 3:10 AM, Giorgio Natili <g.nat...@gnstudio.com > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Because has been said that some (or most) iOS 6 issues will be not > part > > > of > > > > it... > > > > > > > > On 10/8/12 9:03 AM, "Joe Bowser" <bows...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Why do you feel that this release wouldn't be a stable release? > > > > > > > > > >On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Giorgio Natili < > > g.nat...@gnstudio.com> > > > > >wrote: > > > > >> Just my 2 cents but you don't think is better to wait 2 weeks more > > and > > > > >> have a pretty stable one? > > > > >> > > > > >> Giorgio > > > > >> > > > > >> On 10/3/12 7:56 PM, "Simon MacDonald" <simon.macdon...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>>I think we are looking good for 2.2.0 on Android. It will mostly > be > > a > > > > >>>bug fix/performance release for us. I suspect we'll need until > 2.3.0 > > > > >>>to get all the Camera code sorted. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Simon Mac Donald > > > > >>>http://hi.im/simonmacdonald > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Bryce Curtis < > > curtis.br...@gmail.com> > > > > >>>wrote: > > > > >>>> It sounds like resolving iOS6 issues will drive when 2.2.0 can > be > > > > >>>> tagged. What is the readiness of the other platforms so we can > > > have a > > > > >>>> 2.2 release when iOS is ready? Does it sound reasonable to have > a > > > > >>>> release candidate in a week or so, then give a couple of weeks > of > > > > >>>> testing before tagging 2.2? > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Filip Maj <f...@adobe.com> > wrote: > > > > >>>>> If you folks see benefit for the iOS implementation, then I'm > for > > > > >>>>>waiting. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> On 10/2/12 8:48 AM, "Andrew Grieve" <agri...@chromium.org> > > wrote: > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>>I was thinking the same thing. We still have new iOS6-related > > bugs > > > > >>>>>>being > > > > >>>>>>reported, so it might make sense to give this more time. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Becky Gibson > > > > >>>>>><gibson.be...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> So, where do we stand on this? I think working towards 2.2 > > > sooner > > > > >>>>>>>rather > > > > >>>>>>> than later would be the best solution since there appear to > be > > > many > > > > >>>>>>>issues > > > > >>>>>>> with cutting a point release. Where do the other platforms > > stand > > > > >>>>>>>wrt > > > > >>>>>>>2.2? > > > > >>>>>>> What more needs to be done? > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> -becky > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Michal Mocny < > > > mmo...@chromium.org > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > Nevermind, I'm not able to repro the report. > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Michal Mocny > > > > >>>>>>><mmo...@chromium.org> > > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > someone just reported an issue with FileWriter on ios6 ( > > > > >>>>>>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-1559) similar > to > > a > > > > >>>>>>>FileReader > > > > >>>>>>> > > issue I fixed a few weeks back. Fix is likely easy, just > > > > >>>>>>>taking > > > > >>>>>>>a > > > > >>>>>>>look > > > > >>>>>>> > > right now to confirm and see if any other things need > > fixing. > > > > >>>>>>>Should > > > > >>>>>>> be > > > > >>>>>>> > > solved today. > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Andrew Grieve > > > > >>>>>>><agri...@chromium.org > > > > >>>>>>> > >wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > >> The main fixes we'll need are: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> 2 days ago Patrick Mueller [ios] route console methods > to > > > > >>>>>>>original > > > > >>>>>>> > >> console commit > > > > >>>>>>> > >> | commitdiff | tree | snapshot > > > > >>>>>>> > >> 2 days ago Patrick Mueller [ios] route console methods > to > > > > >>>>>>>original > > > > >>>>>>> > >> console commit > > > > >>>>>>> > >> | commitdiff | tree | snapshot > > > > >>>>>>> > >> 2 days ago Andrew Grieve [ios] Change default bridge > from > > > > >>>>>>> XHR_NO_PAYLOAD > > > > >>>>>>> > >> to... commit | commitdiff | tree | snapshot > > > > >>>>>>> > >> 2 days ago Andrew Grieve [ios] Attempt to fix a crash in > > iOS > > > > >>>>>>>XHR > > > > >>>>>>> bridge > > > > >>>>>>> > >> mode. commit | commitdiff | tree | snapshot > > > > >>>>>>> > >> 2 days ago Andrew Grieve [ios] Fix XHR exec bridge not > > > working > > > > >>>>>>>for > > > > >>>>>>> > >> non-file... commit | commitdiff | tree | snapsho > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> However, there were also extra params added to > > FileTransfer > > > > >>>>>>>that > > > > >>>>>>>will > > > > >>>>>>> > also > > > > >>>>>>> > >> need to be included to avoid a JS/Native mismatch. > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> There looks to be some Globalization plugin JS commits > as > > > > >>>>>>>well, > > > > >>>>>>>but I > > > > >>>>>>> > >> haven't followed whether those will cause issues if left > > > out. > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Michael Brooks < > > > > >>>>>>> > mich...@michaelbrooks.ca > > > > >>>>>>> > >> >wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > When we decide to roll 2.1.1, we should use JIRA to > > track > > > > >>>>>>>the > > > > >>>>>>> release. > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > Unfortunately, that means JIRA spam... > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Filip Maj < > > f...@adobe.com > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > iOS folks: are there any commits needed newer than > the > > > > >>>>>>>2.1.0 > > > > >>>>>>>tag > > > > >>>>>>> in > > > > >>>>>>> > >> the > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > JS > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > for any critical fixes? > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > On 9/27/12 3:40 PM, "Jesse MacFadyen" > > > > >>>>>>><purplecabb...@gmail.com> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >Just iOS afaik > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >Cheers, > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > Jesse > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >Sent from my iPhone6 > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >On 2012-09-27, at 3:36 PM, Filip Maj < > f...@adobe.com> > > > > >>>>>>>wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >> So which platforms are we fixing horrible bugs > for > > in > > > > >>>>>>>2.1.1? > > > > >>>>>>> WP7 > > > > >>>>>>> > + > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > iOS? > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >> Basically: do any of the failing platforms that > > > > >>>>>>>_require_ > > > > >>>>>>>fixes > > > > >>>>>>> > >> need > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > any > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >> JS fixes? > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >> On 9/27/12 3:32 PM, "Jesse" < > > purplecabb...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>> Where / When are we tagging cordova-js ? > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:41 AM, Jesse MacFadyen > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>> <purplecabb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>> Not disagreeing. > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>> Cheers, > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>> Jesse > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone6 > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>> On 2012-09-27, at 2:31 AM, Brian LeRoux < > > > b...@brian.io> > > > > >>>>>>>wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>> One click builds are not just for CI! Hand > > rolling > > > > >>>>>>>always > > > > >>>>>>> > error > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>prone, > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>> and > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>> time consuming repatative business like that > is > > a > > > > >>>>>>>job > > > > >>>>>>>for a > > > > >>>>>>> > >> robot. > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>You > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>> then > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>> can focus on code, and others can see (and > > > therefor > > > > >>>>>>>improve > > > > >>>>>>> > >> upon) > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>> release > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>> packaging. > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>> Regardless of all those benefits we want to > get > > > to a > > > > >>>>>>>CI > > > > >>>>>>> > future. > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>> (recommended reading on this, and more: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>> http://pragprog.com/the-pragmatic-programmer) > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>> On Thursday, September 27, 2012, Jesse > MacFadyen > > > > >>>>>>>wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> I agree in a continuous integration scenario > > that > > > > >>>>>>>makes > > > > >>>>>>> > sense, > > > > >>>>>>> > >> but > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>we > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> are not there yet, and probably not soon > > either. > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> Cheers, > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> Jesse > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone6 > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> On 2012-09-26, at 12:46 PM, Brian LeRoux > > > > >>>>>>><b...@brian.io> > > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>> Ya lets not ship a release with different > ver > > > > >>>>>>>numbers > > > > >>>>>>> inside > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>bundled. > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>> That's askin for (more) issue tracking > hell. A > > > > >>>>>>>release > > > > >>>>>>>tag > > > > >>>>>>> > is > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > just > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>a > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>> one > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>> liner / automated. If it isn't: it should > be. > > :p > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 26, 2012, Filip Maj > > > wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>> Link fail! > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-1531 > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>> On 9/26/12 12:22 PM, "Jesse MacFadyen" < > > > > >>>>>>> > >> purplecabb...@gmail.com > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> Address which for windows phone? > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> Cheers, > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> Jesse > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone6 > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> On 2012-09-26, at 12:01 PM, Filip Maj > > > > >>>>>>><f...@adobe.com> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> O ya and we should possibly address this > > for > > > > >>>>>>>windows > > > > >>>>>>> > phone > > > > >>>>>>> > >> 7 > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>2.1.1 > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> Jesse are there any instructions anywhere > > on > > > > >>>>>>>how > > > > >>>>>>>to > > > > >>>>>>>put > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > together > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> those > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> starter packages? > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 9/26/12 10:04 AM, "Jesse MacFadyen" < > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > purplecabb...@gmail.com > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I think we should allow some latitude in > > the > > > > >>>>>>>point > > > > >>>>>>> > >> releases > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > to > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> avoid > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the cascade of meaningless tags, and > extra > > > > >>>>>>>work. > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Can we release 2.1.1 and just say that > it > > > > >>>>>>>contains > > > > >>>>>>> 2.1.1 > > > > >>>>>>> > >> for > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>iOS > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2.1.0 for the rest? There are no API > > changes > > > > >>>>>>>right? > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Jesse > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone6 > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On 2012-09-26, at 9:54 AM, Michael > Brooks > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <mich...@michaelbrooks.ca> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> As Becky mentioned, there's some big > > issues > > > > >>>>>>>for > > > > >>>>>>>iOS > > > > >>>>>>> and > > > > >>>>>>> > >> our > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> user's > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> would > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> really like to see a quick patch. > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be in favour of tagging 2.1.1, > where > > > iOS > > > > >>>>>>>tags > > > > >>>>>>> > master > > > > >>>>>>> > >> and > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> every > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> other > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> platform tags 2.1.1 on the same commit > as > > > > >>>>>>>2.1.0. > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Brian > > > > >>>>>>>LeRoux < > > > > >>>>>>> > >> b...@brian.io> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd rather we point 2.1.1 at the 2.1 > tag > > > as > > > > >>>>>>> suggested > > > > >>>>>>> > >> for > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Android, > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> continue work on 2.2 as planned, and > > ship > > > a > > > > >>>>>>>fresh > > > > >>>>>>> > >> release > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > for > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> iOS > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wherein the big showstopper type > > problems > > > > >>>>>>>exist. > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Joe > > > Bowser > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>><bows...@gmail.com> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we should just start cutting > a > > > > >>>>>>>2.2.0 > > > > >>>>>>> release. > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > This > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> change > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> log > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks too big for a point release and > > > > >>>>>>>there's > > > > >>>>>>> enough > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvements > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> to > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> merit > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That being said, Cordova 2.1.0 still > > > isn't > > > > >>>>>>> officially > > > > >>>>>>> > >> out, > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> complicates things. Any word on > that? > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2012 6:33 AM, "Andrew > > Grieve" > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <agri...@chromium.org> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another breakage that has been > coming > > > up a > > > > >>>>>>>lot > > > > >>>>>>>is > > > > >>>>>>> > that > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > the > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> XHR > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> bridge > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't work on non file:/// hosted > > > paged. > > > > >>>>>>>It's > > > > >>>>>>> fixed > > > > >>>>>>> > >> now, > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>> would > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> good > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get it out ther > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>> -- > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>> @purplecabbage > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>> risingj.com > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
