I might suggest that there's a natural break-out topic: "What makes a good caller? (both perspectives of caller, dancer, band, and dance organizers all)"
I've heard a *lot* of callers talk about the difference of being "a caller" and "a really good caller", and while experience is a necessary condition, it is not, I believe, sufficient. In dance, Ron On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Michael Fuerst <mjerryfue...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Laurie: > Your remarks don't contradict mine. You emphasized "FEEDBACK" and an > individual's disposition to accept such. I suggested that calling takes > "40-100 hours practice over 10- 50 dance events needed to experience the > various things that might go wrong or that one might do wrong, while having > more experienced callers nearby to counsel one through the mishaps." I > certainly could/should have added that suggestions to aspiring callers can > also come from dancers. In our context, "counsel" and "feedback" seem > synonymous. But in any case, a caller unwilling to accept/ponder such > counsel (feedback) from callers and dancers will not improve. > Also you noted that some, after mentorship, classes, and support, still lack > "the thing that callers make." Can you explain what to you the missing > "thing" is? I suspect some of such persons either (1) need closer to 50 > experiences to master the necessary skills, and/or (2) have been unlucky to > have well-meaning, but less effective counselors > Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217-239-5844 > > --- On Thu, 5/10/12, Laur <lc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: Laur <lc...@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Callers] mentorship > To: "Caller's discussion list" <call...@sharedweight.net> > Date: Thursday, May 10, 2012, 12:28 AM > > Michael, > > Trust me, I (and I'm sure others) have seen callers go through mentorship, > classes, support, etc. And - they do not have the thing that callers make. > Callers that are serious want and need feedback, the community, the mentoring > and again FEEDBACK. Those that are- seek and respond to this. Those are > nots - not. They are into them and not into the rest. So the caution is - > callers that aren't into the caller community feedback mentorship ... lose. > and the community that has to dance to them, loses. > > Laurie P > West MI > ~ > > --- On Wed, 5/9/12, Michael Fuerst <mjerryfue...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> From: Michael Fuerst <mjerryfue...@yahoo.com> >> Subject: [Callers] mentorship >> To: "Caller's discussion list" <call...@sharedweight.net> >> Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 3:06 AM >> Contra calling is a relatively easy >> skill to learn--much easier than mastering fiddle-playing, >> auto repair, child rearing or Photoshop. After getting >> several hours of initial instruction in contra calling, the >> challenge becomes getting 40-100 hours practice over 10- 50 >> dance events needed to experience the various things that >> might go wrong or that one might do wrong, while having more >> experienced callers nearby to counsel one through the >> mishaps. And of course workshops will intercept some of >> the potential mishaps. >> >> Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL >> 61801 217-239-5844 >> >> --- On Wed, 5/9/12, Rich Goss <richg...@comcast.net> >> wrote: >> >> From: Rich Goss <richg...@comcast.net> >> Subject: Re: [Callers] mentorship >> To: "Caller's discussion list" <call...@sharedweight.net> >> Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 12:55 AM >> >> I may have missed it, but I haven't seen William Watson's >> excellent collection of caller resources. >> >> http://www.quiteapair.us/calling/ >> >> Rich >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> call...@sharedweight.net >> http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> call...@sharedweight.net >> http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers >> > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > call...@sharedweight.net > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > call...@sharedweight.net > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers
