I didn't have any problems with the phrasing - but would not enjoy calling to
96bpm - but that is just my preference.
Mac McKeever
From: Martha Wild via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
To: Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Callers] [Musicians] worthiness of a tune for contra?
All, I had no trouble in the first two videos. The third one is definitely
crooked. In the second one there's accompaniment and that really defines the
beat, so I wouldn't think a band with a guitar, bass, or piano would be
difficult for dancers to follow this at all.
Martha
On Jul 30, 2015, at 11:54 PM, Erik Hoffman via Callers wrote:
> I, too, had no trouble hearing phrases of 4-beats, 8-beats, and the major
> parts. (In music speak: 2-bar phrases, 4-bar phrases, and 8-bar parts.) I
> would have no trouble calling to either tune in that video. Thus, I'm also
> curious about what makes it hard to hear, for those of you who have trouble
> with it.
>
> ~erik hoffman
> oakland, ca
>
>
> On 7/30/2015 6:52 PM, James Saxe via Musicians wrote:
>> After Emily Addison asked about the tunes in this video
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DkJQ9xNGuU
>>
>> several people commented that they found the phrasing of
>> the jig (Jim Rumboldt's Tune) deceptive. I'm curious to
>> know what any of you--or other list members--think after
>> listening to it at 1.25x speed, as described in my previous
>> message (quoted below).
>>
>> I did a little searching for other videos of the tune.
>> This one
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx_E3qeZAfQ
>>
>> is played at about 165 bpm. If it were played at a
>> normal contra tempo and with a clear four-beat intro, but
>> otherwise in the same style as in the video, I think it
>> would be fine for dancing. Yes, there are a couple places
>> where, if I started the video at a random point in the
>> tune, I could momentarily wonder whether a particular note
>> was a pick-up note or the true beat 1 of a new phrase.
>> But, to my ear, there are enough other places where the
>> phrasing is quite clear so that it's not a problem. I'd
>> be interested in reading other people's reactions.
>>
>> I found another rendition starting about 3:15 in this
>> video
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCnFlmrN1mk
>>
>> with tempo in the high 140s. I can't make sense of
>> the phrasing in this one at all. It seems to me it's a
>> different, and genuinely crooked, variant of the tune.
>> Does anyone disagree.
>>
>> After watching that last video, I tried searching for abc
>> notation or pdfs of sheet music or tablature to see whether
>> I'd find notation for different versions--straight vs.
>> crooked--of the tune. So far, however, I haven't turned
>> up any notation at all.
>>
>> --Jim
>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 1:58 AM, James Saxe <jim.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm a mere caller and pretty much a musical muggle, but
>>> here are some observations about the jig for what they're
>>> worth.
>>>
>>> First off, in the video the jig is played at about 93 or 94
>>> beats per minute (based on my stopwatch timing, which also
>>> appears to agree closely with the YouTube time counter).
>>> You might get a better idea of how it would sound as a dance
>>> tuen by playing it at 1.25x speed. (Click on the gear-shaped
>>> "Settings" button near the lower right of the YouTube video
>>> frame; then click on the Speed box (typically defaulting
>>> to "Normal"); then click "1.25" in the menu that pops up.
>>> YouTube should then play at 1.25x normal speed but with the
>>> audio pitch-shifted back down to normal pitch.)
>> <remainder snipped>
>>
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