Luke, In square dance there is a figure called grand sashay. It is essentially a grand R&L, or weave the ring, with dosidos and seesaw. You might look that figure up as the weave is a dodge, and the dosido//seesaw would allow for twirling.
I have included the definition below. Grand Sashay is fun to dance, and the hands can be eliminated if desired. If it is done inside a square or mescolanza it should bring the four dancers back to where they started it, and it would be 32 steps/beats. That is a long time to keep the men inactive. However if all eight dancers danced it in a mescolanza, they would end up on opposite ends and in opposite lines. This could be a useful call that results in progression just as in a R&L Grande. Dancers could balance & swing and then face original direction when they meet. *Definition:* >From a Right And Left Grand Formation (e.g., after Allemande Left). Dosado, right pull by; Seesaw, left pull by; Dosado, right pull by; Seesaw, left pull by. Ends in a Right And Left Grand Formation. *Comments and Examples:* Same as *Right And Left Grand* except that a *Dosado* or *Seesaw* (left-shoulder Dosado) is inserted before each pull by. The Burleson's definition says to bow before each pull by. Rickey Holden 1949 On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Luke Donforth via Callers < callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > Thanks all for the feedback. I appreciate having this list to kick ideas > around. > > While it would be possible for the do-si-dos to happen in two groups of 2; > in my opinion that would make this a particularly non-interacting 4x4; as > the only whole group of 8 interaction at that point is the circle half way; > and thus not worth getting into 4x4 formation for just that. > > As for my comment about the ladies after the chain. > > After the give&take - swing, the lines are: > w3 m1 w4 m2 > m3 w1 m4 w2 > > When the women chain to the partner, if they went straight up and down, > they're ending up back at: > w1 m1 w2 m2 > m3 w3 m4 w4 > after being courtesy turned through 180 degrees. > > Except the next move is happening in the center, so as w2 and w3 are being > courtesy turned, they'll be facing into the center after maybe 140 degrees > of rotation; whereas w1 and w4 have to turn about 220 degrees to face into > center. > > As for language, I think I may have muddied the issue; so thank you for > demonstrating all the ways that my instructions could be interpreted. > Always a learning experience. A handless star/promenade inside/4 person > gypsy is not quite what I had in mind, although they're all basically the > same path on the floor and certainly what I described. I'd envisioned folks > getting to do-si-do with as little or as much twirling as the wanted; but > as folks pointed out, the DSD twirl is the opposite direction of the big > picture rotation. > > If I can get dancers to test it, I might describe it as "all four women, > do-si-do your opposite woman while dodging the other two" > > Given that's how I'm thinking of it; the fact that my description involves > "dodging" might be a sign it's not such a great idea. The promenade inside > or star options might be more timing resilient; although I like the idea of > letting folks safely twirl when they want. > > I'll keep turning it over in my head, and try to get guinea pigs to dance > it (there's something that would go viral on youtube...) > > Thanks for being a community to talk about dancing with :-) > Luke > > > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > >