Well, any improper dance that has a partner swing on the side could be rephrased to be Becket, actually it wouldn't even have to be a swing.. just a partner interaction that ended facing across the set. So you could argue that just about ANY modern improper contra dance "goes through" Becket formation at some time during the dance.. But, truth is, people are gonna do what they're gonna do and have their reasons. With this particular couple it may not have had anything to do with Becket Formation at all!! b List-Post: callers@lists.sharedweight.net Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 23:21:08 -0500 To: nschl...@gmail.com CC: callers@lists.sharedweight.net Subject: Re: [Callers] Becket Formation From: callers@lists.sharedweight.net
If confronted with that bias again, one could always point out that many improper dances if started in the b section instead, become Becket dances and vice versa. On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Neal Schlein via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: Actually, I can see this. As others suggested, it is probably a matter of the couple's prior poor experiences with dances in Beckets. That said, there are two fairly common tendencies in Becket formation choreography which are somewhat aggravating and another which absolutely drives me up a wall. Other callers and dancers don't seem to mind so much, but were it possible I would completely avoid the dances which have the last one. 1. The first tendency has to do with diagonal figures, even though I like them myself. They are often scrunched and uncomfortable, particularly right and left throughs; people run into each other. Add to this the slight disorientation for someone not used to diagonal figures, and it can be unpleasant. In a nice open hall, they're perfectly fine. Not a problem so much with the formation as with the fact that everyone is in the middle all at once and it's confusing. 2. The second is what I like to call the "DeBecketize Manuever." How many beckets start with, "Circle left 3/4 (and usually swing your neighbor" and end with "Partner swing on the side!" (answer: TOO MANY) If all you are going to do with the first move is take the dance out of Becket, it seems like a cheap trick done just to make the dance "different." Again, not an inherent problem of the formation, just a problem of choreographic selection. 3. The third choreographic tendency is often tied to dances which feature swings at the end of the dance: partial or non progression. This problem, unlike the others, is actually made possible because of the formation: such a difficulty isn't possible in a regular duple minor, and it drives me absolutely NUTS. I have experienced a number of dances in which the caller instructs the dancers to "fudge" or "maneuver" or "sludge" or some such to make the dance work. The contra doesn't actually progress the couples down the line, but leaves them 1/2 progressed or non-progressed--usually swinging partners on the outside, but not always. Sliding up the outside from a circle is one thing; swinging on the outside and fudging down the hall is another. The annoyance of a non-progression can be mitigated if the caller teaches it well (end facing across, look left and...), but to me the partial progression problem always jars and simply seems to be excessively lazy choreography.BeakNeal SchleinYouth Services Librarian, Mahomet Public Library Currently reading: The Different Girl by Gordon Dahlquist Currently learning: How to set up an automated email system. On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:26 PM, John W Gintell via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: My favorite progression requires Becket formation: circle left and then slide up/down and circle with the next pair. > On Dec 10, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Greg Allan via Callers > <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > > Hi, > > That is a somewhat familiar story from my point of view. I dance in a number > of different folk dancing communities - a varied program here in Winnipeg. > It's quite common, as people from one group attempt to get interest from > other dancing groups, that some people know what they like and what they > don't like, and that's that. For example, people who English country dance > often don't like contra because of the increased exertion and tempo. > Personally, I'm not much of a fan of triple minor dances. Everyone's got > their thing. But there's always a reason for it. It could be a bad > experience, or it could be a stylistic feature of a region, where everyone > does a figure in a way you find unpleasant. Hard to say. To leave an event > because someone programmed something you didn't like? ... I'm not sure to > make of it. You don't like it you don't like it, I suppose. > > We don't do Becket formation here at all, really. If someone left at the end > of a night because of Becket formation, I would assume they didn't want to > start learning new things late in the evening. > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers@lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers@lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers@lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net
