Hmm, I think I've seen people be late with it on twice count swings too? My interpretation is more like, when dancers are starting to learn swing ending flourishes the "counting from the end" to end things on time is hard, and they tend to be late a lot. The longer the flourish they're trying to lead, the longer in advance they need to start it and the less likely they are to leave enough time?
(This is all still an aside, though, and I'm interested in discussion of the main point of your post.) On Mar 27, 2016 9:19 PM, "tavi merrill" <t...@tavimerrill.com> wrote: > Needs 4 counts (8 beats) to be executed well. My experience is that using > it on 8-count swings makes a lot of people late, because most aren't > willing to cut the swing off early enough to fit the twirl in without being > late. Hence the usefulness of 16-count swings / utility of flourishes to > 16-count swings, which i see as a reciprocal relationship. > > On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Jeff Kaufman <jeff.t.kauf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> On Mar 27, 2016 8:38 PM, "tavi merrill via Callers" < >> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> > like the ripcord twirl, seen in the wild here >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVpR6SxWsM4&list=RDIVquC0jqCXs&t=2m2s >> and taught here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbyoOPc0rHQ, one of my >> favorite swing ending flourishes but one that takes too much time to be >> executed in an 8-count swing window >> > >> >> This is a tangent, but that flourish looks like only four beats to me? >> > >