It's also really similar to Tom Hinds' Frederick Contra (but only gents DSD and order of moves is different) as well as Linda Leslie's Autumn Leaves (but no allemande / chain).
I also dislike chain -> progress to balance; it never flows right for me as a dancer. And it defeats the whole purpose of a glossary move dance if a caller has to rely on doing the move (chain) in a way where one or both role has to do it differently from almost every other time it's called. Thus, what's the point of trying to teach a chain, if the caviat is "it'll be different every other time". The allemande to balance can be a reach, I agree. But since the do-si-do is only really a 6 beat move, I like the allemande->do-si-do next progression and think it's sufficiently glossary. I just added Troxler to my box, but with the allemande variation. Best, Ron On Aug 22, 2016 10:58 AM, "Luke Donforth via Callers" < callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > Thank you to everyone who chimed in; fun to hear about all the versions > and folks preferences. > > I, personally, am glad my (digital) box is big enough for all of the > variations. I can see instances where I'd use any of them. With > predominately new dancers on the first duple improper of the evening, I > think the ladies on their own for an allemande would fare better than the > "help" gents can give on the courtesy turn of a chain. I agree with Jack > that chain->face new neighbor can be a tough transition. But Troxler's is > straightforward enough that you could use it to focus on teaching a chain > to new dancers; with a forgiving squishy entry into the DSD. And I haven't > broken a hundred times yet with Nice Combination, but I'm sure I will. > > Thanks again. This discussion has even got me thinking about another thing > I'd like to discuss on shared weight. > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 4:56 AM, Bob Isaacs <isaacs...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi All: >> >> >> While I appreciate Jack's comments about the chain/B&S progression, that >> is more of a teaching issue than a choreographic one. More important is >> how much assistance those in the ladies role can get from their partner in >> B2b. In a chain they can get that from the joined hands in the long >> lines. But for the allemande L they need to let go from their partner and >> are on their own. That help would occur if Luke's dance finished with a >> ladies allemande R 1 1/2, but that would not flow as well into the next >> neighbor dosido. So I'll stick with Nice Combo/Troxler's on the >> Loose/Forgotten Treasure - >> >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Callers <callers-boun...@lists.sharedweight.net> on behalf of >> Jack Mitchell via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2016 10:27 PM >> *To:* Linda Leslie; Luke Donforth >> *Cc:* Callers@Lists.Sharedweight.net >> *Subject:* Re: [Callers] Surely this already exists? >> >> Though I know that there are lots of traditional dances with a ladies >> chain (turn away) new N...., I am really not crazy about them. Ok....I'll >> admit it, I actively dislike them. Particularly for new dancers, and >> particularly going to a discrete move like a balance. It requires the lady >> to extricate themselves from a previous neighbor (who *should certainly >> not* twirl and forget, but frequently does), and requires the (polite) >> gent to turn away from their direction of progression to get new ladies >> pointed in the right direction at the end of the courtesy turn before the >> gent can progress (and for that matter, requires the courtesy turn to be >> either done more quickly, or otherwise to be cut short to get everyone >> going in the right direction. (don't even get me started on dances that >> have a butterfly whirl -> turn away to a new neighbor). (There are dances >> -- like Punctuated Raindrops -- that have that progression, that I will >> still call a) because they're great dances other than that and b) because >> the timing of the progression isn't discrete -- if you're late to start the >> allemande L, it's ok, the timing will work out in the wash.) </rant> >> >> The ladies allemande L progression, 1) puts the ladies in a bit more >> control, 2) allows the caller to point out where they're going, and who >> they're going to and 3) leaves a free hand available to reach out to the >> new neighbor. Even with similarities in the rest of the dance, I think >> that is really enough to make it a distinct (and a more accessible) dance >> from the ones mentioned. >> >> Jack >> >> On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM Linda Leslie via Callers < >> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> >>> This dance is virtually the same as Troxler’s on the Loose, by Chris >>> Ricciotti. The only difference in Chris’ dance is that the final move is a >>> ladies chain. >>> Beth Parkes also wrote a dance that is mostly the same: Forgotten >>> treasure. She begins the dance with a N B&S, and ends it with a chain as >>> well. >>> Linda >>> >>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Luke Donforth via Callers < >>> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >>> >>> > Hello all, >>> > >>> > I was trying to find an easy and accessible dance, a real glossary >>> basic contra. >>> > >>> > I feel like this must already exist, but I'm not finding it in my >>> notes. Someone got a prior? >>> > >>> > Type: Contra >>> > Formation: Duple-Improper >>> > >>> > A1 ----------- >>> > (8) Neighbor Do-si-do >>> > (8) Neighbor swing, end facing down the hall >>> > A2 ----------- >>> > (8) Down the hall, four in line (turn as couples) >>> > (8) Return and Bend the line >>> > B1 ----------- >>> > (6) Circle Left 3/4 >>> > (10) Partner swing >>> > B2 ----------- >>> > (8) Long lines, forward and back >>> > (8) Women allemande Left 1-1/2 >>> > >>> > The B2 could be W DSD 1.5, although I like the allemande for the >>> connection for brand new dancers. I specifically chose the left hand to >>> leave the women facing towards their new neighbor. >>> > >>> > I know it's really close to a bunch of other stuff. B2 could be C L >>> 3/4, balance and pass through; or chain to left hand star à la The Nice >>> Combination; etc. >>> > >>> > Barring it already having been named by someone else, I'm going to >>> call it "Having Fun with PAM" to keep track of it in my box; since I just >>> got back from the fabulous PAMFest (Peacham Acoustic Music Festival). >>> > >>> > Thanks. >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Callers mailing list >>> > Callers@lists.sharedweight.net >>> > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Callers mailing list >>> Callers@lists.sharedweight.net >>> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >>> >> -- >> Jack Mitchell >> Durham, NC >> > > > > -- > Luke Donforth > luke.donfo...@gmail.com <luke.do...@gmail.com> > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > >
