mr l don not want any emails please don't senf me ,them mehmet kitapçı ----- Özgün İleti ----- Kimden : [email protected] Kime : [email protected] Gönderme tarihi : 25/05/2009 1:22 Konu : Re: Internalize beliefs, don't just talk
What a wast of time to debate with U. > > It seems that you really can't answer the question. > If Cambodians really believed in Buddha, why in the world did they > kill their own people with their own hands in their own country in > millions? > Why can't you answer that question? > Are you trying to tell us that Vietnamese did all of those things? > You are wrong if you do. The fact is that Cambodians killed millions > of their own people in their own country. Today, many Cambodians claim > that they were Buddhist then. The question remains the same. > Why did they kill people if they really believed in Buddha? > I bet you that you have no answer to that. Here is my answer to that > question. > The truth is that Cambodian belief in Buddha is superfacial. They > believe in it when it benefits them. They don't when it benefits them. > It means that the Cambodian belief in Buddha is nothing but a belief > of opportunity. That's why they kill people like they kill animals > when it benefits them. > Don't come out and tell us that Vietnamese or others were responsible > for those killings. It's very simple. Those Cambodians must be > responsible for what they have done. It doesn't matter whether one > believes that they follow someone's order or what. The facts remain > the same. Cambodians killed their own people in millions with their > own hands in their own country for whatever reasons. This is fact. No > one can change that. > > > On May 24, 1:30 am, "sacravatoons" > wrote: >> U tell me during Vietnam War, did the Nord & South kill each other ?How >> many >> were they died ? >> In US history didn't they kill each others too, the Nord & the South ? >> In China ,the communists & Kuomintang did they kill each others ? >> I had told U that it not related to the religion at all; it is all about >> Power & Greed + Ideology + Brain washed >> In Burma the Junta kill its own people everyday it does mean they stopped >> believing in Buddha !!! >> >> Cheers, >> Bun H. Ung >> >> >> >> > Can't you answer the question? >> > If Cambodians really believe in Buddha, why did they kill their own >> > people in their own country? >> > Does it mean that they stopped believing Buddha temporarily? >> >> > On May 22, 2:07 pm, "sacravatoons" >> > wrote: >> >> It's not the Religion believe at all. >> >> It's a brain washed and ideology. >> >> The Japanese Imperial Army had chopped off so many Chinese heads >> >> during >> >> their invasion in Nanjing Massacre,December 13,1939. >> >> Hitler's army had killed so many innocent people during the second >> >> World >> >> War,including the numbers of Jewish People. >> >> >> Islam, >> >> Buddhism, >> >> Christianity, >> >> and others religions do not tell people to kill each other . >> >> >> Because their greeds & powers have lead them to achieve their goals by >> >> using >> >> the religions as its tool. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bun H. Ung >> >> >> > CAN I ASK A QUESTION ? >> >> > IF CAMBODIANS REALLY BELIEVE IN BUDDHA IN GENERAL, WHY DID >> >> > CAMBODIANS >> >> > KILL AND TORTURED THE WHOLE COUNTRY DURING THE KHMER ROUGE REIGN? >> >> > WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A FEW BUNCH OF NUT CASES. WE ARE TALKING >> >> > ABOUT THOSE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS FROM A SMALL GROUP TO COMMUNE >> >> > AND >> >> > UP AT THE PEOPLE LEVEL. WHY DID THOSE PEOPLE KILL AND TORTURE THEIR >> >> > OWN PEOPLE? >> >> > IF YOU THINK THAT THEY DID BECAUSE THEY WERE TOLD TO DO IT, YOU MAY >> >> > BE >> >> > RIGHT. YET, THEY STILL KILLED AND TORTURED WITH THEIR OWN HANDS. WHY >> >> > DID THEY DO It IF THEY BELIEVE IN BUDDHA VERY MUCH? >> >> >> > On May 21, 8:54 am, [email protected] wrote: >> >> >> KY, >> >> >> Good analyze! >> >> >> >> During the KR time, I lived next to a Pagoda in Phoum Chah, >> >> >> songkatt >> >> >> Teuk >> >> >> Cho, Preah Neth Preah, former Khet BB now Bonteay Mean Chei, there >> >> >> was >> >> >> a >> >> >> young monk named Nam ( in early 76'S there was still some buddah >> >> >> temples ), he was a very kind monk, he used to come to talked with >> >> >> my >> >> >> father, helping build our hut and sometime he brough left over food >> >> >> from >> >> >> the temple to my family. Later, the KR ordered to close all >> >> >> temples, >> >> >> Nam >> >> >> became a Chhloab ( Like Kinh or 2B ), and the same time the killing >> >> >> started, and something happened to him beyond my understand, he >> >> >> became >> >> >> a >> >> >> cruel killer, every night we lived in fear, especially when we >> >> >> heard >> >> >> Nam's horse bell ( unlike others whose rode a bike , he rode a >> >> >> horse ), >> >> >> we always asked ourselves " Who is the one gonna be tonight? " >> >> >> I saw him , one day, beat up a 7 year old boy who was accused of >> >> >> stealing >> >> >> water melon from the " Suon Komar ", and slam him against the >> >> >> temple >> >> >> wall... >> >> >> After all, I think we don't have to be " Khmer Pouch Neak Chombaing >> >> >> " >> >> >> or >> >> >> follow 100% the teaching of Buddah, however, remember one of the >> >> >> Buddah >> >> >> teaching " Teung Pek Vear Dach...Thoo Pek Vear Phleav(?) (sorry, >> >> >> I'm >> >> >> not >> >> >> sure exactly what the word was ) ", meanly " Be flexible ", not too >> >> >> arrogant nor humle, also we should understand that SOME Khmers have >> >> >> this >> >> >> attitude, if they see someone succeed/rising they jealous with >> >> >> them, >> >> >> dodn't want them to grow, but if they see someone so humble, they >> >> >> think >> >> >> those people are stupid and look down them as trash. >> >> >> >> Just my 2 Cambodian Cents >> >> >> KC >> >> >> >> Khoar Chev ( Made in Cambodia ) >> >> >> >> --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Khmer Young wrote: >> >> >> >> From: Khmer Young >> >> >> Subject: Internalize beliefs, don't just talk >> >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 11:01 PM >> >> >> >> Wednesday, May 20, 2009 >> >> >> Internalize beliefs, don't just talk >> >> >> Comment: Extremists have never paid attention to the principles of >> >> >> religions. Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin and contemporary terrorists etc >> >> >> have >> >> >> always overwhelmingly affected by their own fanatic and paranoid >> >> >> thought. >> >> >> Finally, they have translated those thoughts into brutality or >> >> >> sometime >> >> >> committed bomb-suicide. We can say that those actions don't base on >> >> >> religion, morality or compassion, but it totally based on >> >> >> self-conceited >> >> >> thought, self-indulgent pursuance, idiosyncrasy, frantic emotion, >> >> >> and >> >> >> paranoia. Self-realization or self-enlightenment has been >> >> >> profoundly >> >> >> taught by Buddha. But Pol Pot, or Hitler including others might >> >> >> have >> >> >> no >> >> >> self-realization. Personal behavior of self-realization might be >> >> >> perfectly guided since people were very young. Other factors of >> >> >> Cambodian >> >> >> people have possibly affected by the political environment. We >> >> >> concur >> >> >> that Cambodian people are cynical and living under fear of >> >> >> oppressions >> >> >> since the fall of Angkor era. The political >> >> >> cynicism and fear were deeply embedded in Cambodian society by the >> >> >> intractable neighbor invasions and internal conflicts for power. In >> >> >> Cambodia, needless to blame on Buddhism on civil war and brutality >> >> >> like >> >> >> Bhikku Dr. Hok Savann, a contemporary Cambodian Buddhist scholar >> >> >> said >> >> >> civil war and brutality in Cambodia have been endorsed by the >> >> >> desired >> >> >> people who have never interested to learn and practise Buddhist >> >> >> teachings. >> >> >> >> PACIFIC DAILY NEWS >> >> >> May 20, 2009 >> >> >> >> A. Gaffar Peang-Meth, Ph.D >> >> >> >> Senior researcher Lao Mong Hay, of the Hong Kong-based Asian Human >> >> >> Rights >> >> >> Commission, wrote "Khmer Rouge Trial: Time for soul searching," >> >> >> published >> >> >> several months ago in UPI Online. It's a thought-provoking piece, >> >> >> valuable for people of all faiths. >> >> >> >> As the Khmer Rouge trials proceed, Mong Hay suggested "the need for >> >> >> the >> >> >> Cambodian people themselves ... to do some soul searching." >> >> >> >> Theravada Buddhism, a state religion under the kingdom, the >> >> >> republic, >> >> >> the >> >> >> Khmer Rouge and today's autocracy, is based on three founding >> >> >> concepts: >> >> >> the "dharma" -- Buddha's teachings on right actions and beliefs; >> >> >> the >> >> >> "karma" -- a person's present and future life as determined by his >> >> >> or >> >> >> her >> >> >> own deeds and misdeeds, the sum total of his acts and omissions in >> >> >> all >> >> >> his incarnations past and present; and the "sangha" -- the ascetic >> >> >> community within which a person can improve karma (and become a >> >> >> superior >> >> >> being). >> >> >> >> Buddhists who seek enlightenment practice compassion, which is the >> >> >> root >> >> >> of Buddha's dharma teachings. Compassion, kindness, tolerance and >> >> >> forgiveness are the essence of Buddhism. >> >> >> >> Cambodia has more than 4,000 monasteries and more than 50,000 >> >> >> monks. >> >> >> Up >> >> >> to 95 percent of the population are Therevada Buddhist. >> >> >> >> Mong Hay asked, if "the overwhelming majority of Cambodian people >> >> >> were >> >> >> Buddhist" before the Khmer Rouge's rise to power, "how could these >> >> >> Buddhists among the Khmer Rouge help kill some 1.7 million of their >> >> >> fellow countrymen" from 1975-1979? >> >> >> >> "Cambodians need to do some deep soul searching as to how Buddhist >> >> >> they >> >> >> were prior to the Khmer Rouge times, and even in current times, >> >> >> where >> >> >> crimes are no less ruthless," he writes. "Was Buddhism just skin >> >> >> deep, >> >> >> and were Buddhist ethical values -- such as respect for life, >> >> >> loving-kindness and compassion -- not the Cambodian people's strong >> >> >> deep-seated core values as these people might have thought?" he >> >> >> asked. >> >> >> >> People in general like to talk. Talking the talk makes some people >> >> >> feel >> >> >> knowledgeable and even pious, and many do this. But walking the >> >> >> talk >> >> >> is >> >> >> less common, for it's harder to do. We "talk the talk" on >> >> >> autopilot; >> >> >> we >> >> >> don't internalize the belief system the words espouse. >> >> >> >> More than a decade ago, in 1996, Harvard political science >> >> >> professor >> >> >> Daniel Goldhagen's book, "Hitler's Willing Executioners," stirred >> >> >> controversies about a German mentality containing "eliminationist >> >> >> anti-semitism" that originated in medieval attitudes and developed >> >> >> for >> >> >> centuries. Growing from Goldhagen's doctoral dissertation, which >> >> >> won >> >> >> the >> >> >> 1994 Gabriel Almond Award in comparative politics from the American >> >> >> Political Science Association, the book argues that the ordinary >> >> >> Germans >> >> >> knew about the Holocaust, did not oppose but supported it. >> >> >> >> Someone has compared the Khmer Rouge's three years, eight months >> >> >> and >> >> >> 20 >> >> >> days of brutality "as awful and unfathomable as events in Nazi >> >> >> Germany, >> >> >> Stalin's Russia, Rwanda, Yugoslavia and Darfur." Goldhagen's book >> >> >> should >> >> >> provide food for thought for Cambodian historians. >> >> >> >> After all, were the monsters Khmer Rouge not among the Cambodian >> >> >> Theravada Buddhists who followed Buddha's dharma teachings? So what >> >> >> snapped? Did Pol Pot have his "willing executioners," in and out of >> >> >> Cambodia, who knew about atrocities, did not oppose them and even >> >> >> welcomed them? Are some such executioners in the government today? >> >> >> >> Someone asked, why has Cambodia's Buddhist clergy not spoken out >> >> >> against >> >> >> atrocities, bloodshed and violence, past and present? >> >> >> >> Remember there have been Buddhists and non-Buddhists who put their >> >> >> lives >> >> >> on the >> >> ... >> >> read more »- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. 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