Attention!, le progres accompli par le CPP sous la perfusion d'aide du comité
international de l'ordre de
600 mls US dollars par an depuis presque 3 decennies, ne nous est pas fasciné
et cela est à quel prix?.
Non! quelle stupidité de voir des choses aveuglantes!. Ils(ces étudiants de UH)
sont quand même des
PhD, alors comment arrivent ils à encourager un régime hypercorrompu et dirigé
par un ganster.
krakmo
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 19:09:45 -1000
> CC: [email protected]
>
> This pretender of UH student has no clue of what is progress is all
> about. This person only knows how to recieve benefit from others
> progress.
>
> Progress of any persons are measured by sucess. CPP has accomplished
> more than previous government. Please proof me wrong .
>
> I am not a CPP member, but I am PRO Khmers' happiness. So far Khmer
> students able to enjoy from endless opportunities. We have more PhD
> than ever before . With this progress HS government shloud deserve
> some credits.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 9, 2010, at 10:56 AM, "Krakmo Kaing" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > C'est étonnant que ces étudiants qui se prétend ceux de l'UH et qu
> > i,
> > semble-t-il, prennent le parti de CPP pour être sympatisants avec de
> > s idées,
> > je dis non progressistes.
> > krakmo
> >
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] De
> > la part
> > de Heng Sombat
> > Envoyé : samedi 9 janvier 2010 21:08
> > À : [email protected]
> > Objet : RE: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post
> >
> > Sophan,
> >
> > The CSALOHA website is very outdated
> > (http://www2.hawaii.edu/~csaloha/officers.html). I do not think any
> > of the
> > information on the site are correct. You need to update it or take
> > the site
> > down. False information via internet or posted on the internet is
> > also a
> > crime.
> >
> > Per my information with the East West Center, you are no longer a
> > student
> > there. Plus you have sent many articles about Cambodian-Canadian's
> > activities which only proof that you are currently residing in Canada.
> >
> > There is not much to read into your article. Your intention is not
> > to help
> > Cambodia or her people. Question: Have you even hold a job that
> > produced
> > normal income and paid income-tax since you live here, US or
> > Canada? If
> > not, you have no idea what is democracy is. So please do not preach
> > democracy to others. From your resume, you have been a professional
> > student
> > and monk most of your adult life.
> >
> > Per my conversation with my friend Sok in Hawaii, your short term in
> > Hawaii
> > during your monk hood was fulfill with sins. Let me relate (one
> > issue) to
> > you and to our audience that wish to know more about you, since you
> > wanted
> > others to know about you as well. Correct me if my information is
> > incorrect, but I have no doubt about what I am about to share.
> >
> > During your study at University of Hawaii you were living in a co-ed
> > University housing that was provided by East West Center (funded by
> > American
> > tax payers). This mean that you were sharing your domicile with young
> > college girls. This alone violated Buddhism practice already. Most
> > of the
> > young girls in these days covered their body with less and less
> > garments,
> > especially when they are in their domiciles. I will stop here on
> > this issue
> > and let you and the audience of CAMDIS takes it from here.
> >
> > I have more to share, if you want me to go on! Trust me.
> >
> > Here is my suggestion. Stop attacking and putting down Cambodian
> > people and
> > her government via Phnom Penh Post. Posting article via Phnom Post
> > will be
> > read by mostly foreigners, in Phnom Penh and aboard, your article
> > will only
> > stack more mud on the Cambodian people. This government is not
> > perfect. If
> > you care, let's help Cambodian people by helping the government to
> > improve
> > their mean and way of doing government businesses. Let's start with
> > solidarity first. Solidarity is the most effective way to
> > consolidate power
> > and fight the enemy of all kinds; foreign and domestic. Keep in
> > mind that
> > democracy does not happen overnight. It took US and Canada over 200
> > years
> > for their democracies and still not 100% perfect. Do not forget
> > that your
> > well being here in US or Canada is the result of the current
> > government
> > policy.
> >
> > Here I go again......You must learn how to give back, not just
> > take. Or
> > giving back is not what you believe in? Stop taking from an little
> > old lady
> > like the one you did in Hawaii. She gave you so much of what she
> > had; she
> > had to collect cans and saved portion of her SS incomes to
> > contribute to
> > your Buddhism preach, because she trusted you as a true monk.
> >
> > I am going to stop here and hoping that you are able to start giving
> > back
> > with your heart.
> >
> >
> > Heng Sombat
> > Irvine, Ca
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> > Behalf
> > Of sophan
> > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:59
> > To: Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org
> > Subject: Re: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post
> >
> > Hi Heng Sombat and Kangkaroo;
> >
> > Some info you claimed is correct, but major of them is wrong about me.
> > If you want to know me more, go to these links.
> >
> > http://www2.hawaii.edu/~csaloha/officers.html
> > or
> > http://www2.hawaii.edu/~sophan/
> >
> > I am not affiliated with any political parties inside or outside of
> > Cambodia. I am currently a student of UH, and community facilitator.
> > My letter to the Phnom Penh Post has fairly articulated to bring
> > benefits to
> > all sides especially the collective interests of the nation.
> >
> > Please re-read my article again and again before you assume to reply
> > this or
> > that.
> >
> > PS: I am an individual of UH's student. I am not representing all
> > students
> > in this University including Cambodian students studying there, like
> > many
> > other writers who revealed their places such as Phnom Penh,
> > California or
> > others, surely not represent everyone there.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > S.
> >
> > On Jan 7, 10:33 pm, Heng Sombat <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Hello Kararoo,
> >>
> >> Your points are very straight and very much appreciated. The
> >> author
> >> of this letter to Phnom Penh Post has no practical logic or merit
> >> behind his article. He just wanted his name to be read in Phnom Penh
> > Post.
> >>
> >> Sam Rainsy's actions in the last 15 years are very questionable. I
> >> have the opportunity to meet Rainsy when he was the Minister of
> >> Finance and after he got kicked out of the government. He knows how
> >> to use less fortunate people for his personal gain. Just like Koy
> >> Pech in
> > the 1971, Lon Nol Era.
> >> Students died from his actions.
> >>
> >> Now let's look at this author character and purpose of his writing
> >> this article, so we could analyst his intention. I started out by
> >> contacting my fellow friend (let's call him Sok) at Hawaii University
> >> at Manoa Campus to verify who is this Sophan Seng really is.
> >>
> >> Here is what I found out.
> >>
> >> 1. Sophan was a student at UH and had moved back to Canada since
> >> 2009.
> >> 2. He was a monk from Cambodia via Canada before moved to Hawaii. On
> >> top of it, he did served his monk hood properly.
> >>
> >> In the body of his article he expressed the wrong doing of the HS
> >> government, but fail to understand the responsibility of the Rainsy
> >> as MP.
> >> MP is just a law maker not a law enforcer. What authority does MP
> >> has
> >> to act as POLICE. Rainsy's action only create division among our
> >> people, but fail to promote solidarity. His actions only make us
> >> Khmer
> > weak.
> >>
> >> If you talk about corruption, let's us ash how Rainsy live with his
> >> MP
> >> salary. Someone is paying for his living cost plus traveling in and
> >> out of Cambodia whenever he wishes to travel.
> >>
> >> I suggest that Sophon think twice before he writes again about the HS
> >> government. HS is not perfect, but the best government we had in the
> >> last 100 years. We all able to get higher education and freedom to
> >> express our opinion more than previous governments. Freedom of speech
> >> has come a long way. But please keep freedom of speech within
> >> limitation.
> >>
> >> Let's look at our previous government: Sihanouk's government
> >> fail.......
> >> Lon Nol's government fail...... Pol Pot's government fail to year
> >> ZERO. I guess Sophan wants to live year Zero again.
> >>
> >> One more note for Sophon, if you are not with UH or speaking on
> >> behalf of UH, please do not sign on behalf of UH, because your
> >> article
> >> to Phnom Penh Post created concern for UH Cambodian Students in
> >> Hawaii. Not all students in UH approved your statement.
> >>
> >> Heng Sombat
> >> Irvine, Ca
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> >> Behalf
> >>
> >> Of sopha
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 5:56 AM
> >> To: Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org
> >> Subject: Re: My Letter to the Phnom Penh Post
> >>
> >> On Jan 7, 2:28 am, kangaroo <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> Reading your article “Three more sought in removal of post at
> >>>> Svay
> >>>> Rieng border” (January 4) broke my heart.
> >>
> >>>> The villagers should be congratulated and taken care of by the
> >>>> government for their courage in publicly claiming their ownership
> >>>> of the rice paddies and denouncing the violation of their
> >>>> territory by Vietnamese authorities who have mismanaged the
> >>>> process of demarcating the border. Instead, as unbelievable as it
> >>>> may sound, these five farmers face a terrifying fate and the loss
> >>>> of their status
> >> as “good” citizens.
> >>
> >>> Look at their acts. They have done something on their own hands
> >>> along with Sam Rainsy. Did they do the right thing?
> >>> Look at it yourself. A small group of people disagree with border
> >>> demarkation along with their leader, Sam Rainsy. They acted
> >>> illegally whether you like it or not. They did a wrong thing.
> >>> Actually, they did it to demonstarte their disagreement with the
> > government.
> >>> Be serious about it. Doing a wrong thing to correct a wrong thing
> >>> would never work. Sam Rainsy and that small group of people did just
> >>> that. Now they are facing their consequences.
> >>> Oh ask those people this. They did it along with Sam Rainsy in that
> >>> village. Now, they all are in trouble including Sam Rainsy. WHERE IS
> >>> SAM RAINSY TODAY?
> >>> How about those people in the group? Where are they today?
> >>
> >> It is good to hear from you. Why all Cambodian people have trouble?
> >>
> >>>> There have been different interpretations of this story within the
> >>>> media, but at the end of the day, no one can deny the truth:
> >>>> Cambodian people living along the borders with Thailand, Laos and
> >>>> Vietnam no longer dare voice their concerns about neighbouring
> >>>> countries encroaching on their territory and stealing their land
> >>>> for
> >> fear of reprisals.
> >>
> >>> No one can say that Cambodian neighbors have not moved into
> >>> Cambodian territory. However, there is an agreement between
> >>> Cambodian government and Vietnamese government on this demarkation.
> >>> We will never find the demarkation to please everyone. So what is
> >>> the best result. The two countries have to work it out. Until then
> >>> the
> > people will struggle.
> >>
> >> I think Cambodia has had agreement with all neighbors including Preah
> >> Vihear.
> >>
> >>>> On one hand, the government may have good reason to accuse
> >>>> opposition leader Sam Rainsy of acting as a provocateur in
> >>>> bringing news of Vietnam’s mismanagement of border posts to the
> >>>> public. But on the other hand, the government is following a
> >>>> course of action that could rob Cambodia of its strength as a
> >>>> nation and destroy the
> >> immunity of every parliamentarian.
> >>
> >>> My friend,
> >>> Sam Rainsy lead that small group of people to rise against the
> >>> decision of his own government. What do you think that the
> >>> government would do? Let us say that Sam Rainsy is the prime
> >>> minister of Cambodia today. What would he do if Hun Sen did like
> >>> that?
> >>> Is prime minister Sam Rainsy going to ignore the illegal act against
> >>> his government?
> >>
> >> Good point but what kind of decision? Any participation from the pp
> >> and NGOs?
> >>
> >>>> At the grassroots level, Cambodian people living along the border
> >>>> will no longer dare to stand up and protest against the theft of
> >>>> their land by neighbouring countries. At the national level,
> >>>> parliamentarians – both government and opposition – will lose
> >>>> confidence in their abilities to serve the genuine interests of
> >>>> the
> >> people.
> >>
> >>> They cannot stand up for their right. The government cannot please
> >>> all of those people at once. Nor the government can find a solution
> >>> to make them happy on both side. There is no way. The agreement
> >>> between Vietnam and Cambodia is set a fire storm. Some are happy and
> >>> some are not. The government has no position to win on this
> >>> position. That's honest. Don't tell me that prime minister Sam
> >>> Rainsy would do any better. This situation has no winning in sight.
> >>
> >> That might be called agreement of self-suicide or dividing Khmers.
> >> Why
> >> Khmers are dividing?
> >>
> >>>> The government must evaluate the situation fairly if it is to
> >>>> effecctively represent the nation’s interests. I would like to
> >>>> appeal to the government to restore the prowess of elected
> >>>> parliamentarians and allow them to fulfil their duties, which are
> >>>> more important than those of the lower court of Svay Rieng. I
> >>>> would also like to appeal to the government to drop all charges
> >>>> against the five farmers – Prak Chea, Neang Phally, Prak Koeun,
> >>>> Meas Srey and
> >> Prom Chea – and release them without condition.
> >>
> >>> Sam Rainsy is dead. He acted on his own hands against his own
> >>> government in his own country. He created that opportunity for those
> >>> who hate him to be able to destroy him. He miscalculated his act.
> >>> Actually, he is a stupid leader to act like that.
> >>
> >>>> Sophan Seng
> >>>> University of Hawaii
> >>
> >>> And what does it make you to be since you have studied in the
> >>> University of Hawaii?
> >>> Are you smarter than others?
> >>> Are you always right since you are a student of an American
> >>> university?
> >>> By the way, are you living in Cambodia as a real Cambodian?
> >>
> >> Where are you living? What is your real name? I am feeling
> >> intimidated
> >> by your message and sharp argument. If you are really loving Khmer
> >> nation, let show our real intention to the issue on how to solve the
> >> problem. We can walk together to help Cambodia. Let I know you
> >> personally or in this forum, so we can pursue our collective goal. No
> >> Khmers are marginalized, we all are Khmers.
> >>
> >> S.
> >
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