----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Jayakhmer <[email protected]>
Dear Kangaroo, There you go again. “My friend,, I have been preaching this kind of rhetoric for a very long time. Every Cambodians embrace a culture that leads to all of those fighting for power. People from the top all the way to the bottom view corruption and impunity as their normal practices. That is the way they live their lives today. Do you know that there different classes in Cambodia today? Do you know that those classes existed in Cambodia since whenever we can remember? The rich gets richer, and the poor gets poorer. The rich has more rights than the poorer people etc........” “Every Cambodian embraces a culture that leads to all of those fighting for power?” I do not embrace such culture. When you say “every Cambodian,” this includes me. Again, that is a false statement. “Let me say something to fuel you more. Let us look back to Sihanouk era. Most Cambodians saw it as an era filled with prosperity and peace. That statement is very true when ones look on the surface. If they study deep into the society, they would see the Cambodian illnesses. Sihanouk po adn found no way out. wee suppressed opposition of all kind. Sihanouk even order death penalty for being opposition of a certain kind. Khmer Rouge movement started at the time. Many poor people joined some intellectuals in the jungle to start their communist party and its movement. How about corruption and impunity during Sihanouk era? My friend, you don't want to know. A lot of people were trapped in poverty and found no way out. Sihanouk tried so hard to stop those people from joining Khmer Rouge. He didn't do it that well. Then Lon Nol era arrived. Corruption, impunity, and killings went full speed. Their marshal law gave them the power to suppress their own people in their own country. People with guns could do anything as they pleased. Thousands and thousands of poor people joined Khmer Rouge. Then the Khmer Rouge............... Then Heng Samrin and thereafter................ They all are the same.” That does not fuel me. From years of careful studies, I know what was going during the Sang Kum Reast Niyum regime. I love to read. I respect His Majesty the former king as an elder statement and as a fellow artist even knowing all about the conflicts he may have caused, the detrimental consequences of his government’s foreign policy, and perfectly understand every thing everyone said about him. So what you say whatever you want about the former king and his regime. It does not border me not even a bit. What borders me is when you made statement such as this: Every Cambodian embraces a culture that leads to all those fighting for power. That is another gross generalization which makes this statement a false statement. All the best, Jay On Sep 9, 12:21 pm, kangaroo <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sep 8, 2:10 pm, Jayakhmer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Kangaroo, > > > Let me very frank with you. What is so hard to swallow is that you > > make false statement again and again here in this forum. > > I am glad you venge your disagreement this way. Please allow me to > reply to them. You are going to agree with it. That is just my > opinion. > > > Let’s test your some of yours statements piece by piece. > > Let us do it. > > > “Let us discuss this matter with substance. > > Let us see if people of Cambodia can do it.” > > > Reading this, my response is, “yes.” I am one of the people of > > Cambodia and I can do it. This is okay. > > > Next. > > “The history of Cambodia cannot be changed….” This part is okay thus > > far. I happen to have a more open mind. History cannot be changed > > but our understanding of history may be changed as new information > > become available. > > The understanding of history can be different depending on people's > perception. However, the history of what happened cannot be changed. > The evidence is a crucial in this part. So let us look at the real > thing. > > > “It is very clear that Cambodians have been doing bad things to their > > own nation with their own hands…” > > This is a gross generalization. Anyone with a basic critical thinking > > recognizes immediately that it is a false statement. Here is the > > test. > > OK! You said that it is a generalization. I don't know about you. The > people who killed Cambodians during the Khmer Rouge era were > Cambodians. They were not Vietnamese. No one had said every Cambodians > did such things. Perhaps, you want me to say some Cambodians instead > of Cambodians. I can do that. Otherwise, you would be very wrong. > Your notion leads people to think that Vietnamese did such thing. The > reality was that those criminals were all Cambodians. > > > When you said, “Cambodians have been doing bad things to their own > > nation with their own hands,” it applies to all Cambodians. I am > > Cambodian and you are highly likely a Cambodian. Have you and I been > > doing bad thing to our own nation? The answer is a resounding “No.” > > That alone proves that the statement is a false statement. The rest > > of your statement is irrelevant. > > Whom do you call those people? > Vietnamese? > Cambodians? > My friend,, I have been preaching this kind of rhetoric for a very > long time. Every Cambodians embrace a culture that leads to all of > those fightings for power. People from the top all the way to the > bottom view corruption and impunity as their normal practices. That is > the way they live their lives today. Do you know that there different > classes in Cambodia today? Do you know that those classes existed in > Cambodia since whenever we can remember? > The rich gets richer, and the poor gets poorer. The rich has more > rights than the poorer people etc........ > This may seem odd to you. Unfortunately, that's the way it is in > Cambodia. > This social illness causes alot of commotion among Cambodian poors. > They fought very hard when a faction gave them hope and better vision > for them and their future. That faction is known today called Khmer > Rouge. Then you already know what they did to their own people in > their own country. > I hope you understand what I am trying to convey. It is not just the > problem of the Khmer Rouge. It is the social illness that causes this > kind of sadness. > > > Why is it I felt that there is so much anger in you? When it comes to > > this issue I felt you act as though you are acting like a raging > > bull. Do you mind sharing what is behind all of this contempt? So we > > understand where you came from and where you want to go with this. > > Can we discuss this issue calmly? > > Why do you want to understand me personally? > Whether I am angry or happy is none of your business. Cambodian > tradition does that. > You don't need to understand me. Just understand the writing in front > of you. > If you disagree with something, don't go after the person. Give the > truth to enlighten the discussion. > > > Look. I am a Cambodian; I have not blamed the Vietnamese for > > anything. They invaded Cambodia, I said they invaded Cambodia. They > > controlled Cambodia from the day of invasion until the day they > > pressured to withdraw. I said just that. Under the Khmer Rouge regime > > approximately 1.7 million died. I along with million condemned the > > Khmer Rouge regime. > > Whenever you said Cambodian people do this or Cambodian people do > > that, it includes your truly here. This is a big problem for me. If > > you know specifically who did what, by all mean, state that. Do not > > paint all of us with your gross generalization brush. > > It is good that you have not blame Vietnamese for Cambodian illnesses. > I hope you read more into my writing before you reply this kind of > comments. > Let me say something to fuel you more. > Let us look back to Sihanouk era. Most Cambodians saw it as an era > fillled with prosperity and peace. > That statement is very true when ones look on the surface. If they > study deep into the society, they would see the Cambodian illnesses. > Sihanouk po adn found no way out. wer suppressed opposition of all > kind. Sihanouk even order death penalty for being opposition of a > certain kind. > Khmer Rouge movement started at the time. Many poor people joined some > intellectuals in the jungle to start their communist party and its > movement. > How about corruption and impunity during Sihanouk era? > My friend, you don't want to know. A lot of people were trapped in > poverty and found no way out. Sihanouk tried so hard to stop those > people from joining Khmer Rouge. He didn't do it that well. > Then Lon Nol era arrived. Corruption, impunity, and killings went full > speed. Their marshal law gave them the power to suppress their own > people in their own country. People with guns could do anything as > they pleased. Thousands and thousands of poor people joined Khmer > Rouge. > Then the Khmer Rouge............... > Then Heng Samrin and thereafter................ > They all are the same. > > Let me go back to talk about Khmer Rouge and Vietnam. > Khmer Rouge had done so bad to their country trying to creat a vision. > They almost wiped their country out of world map. > It was so bad to get another nation to invade to save lives. Many > Cambodians don't want to hear this reality. The act of invasion itself > saved alot of lives from the hand of Khmer Rouge. We are not saying > that it is a right thing to do. Fortunately, the act of invasion did > save lives. > > Today, alot of oversea Cambodians still think that Vietnamese is > behind everything today. > > . > > > Thank you. > > > Sincerely yours, > > > Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. 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