On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 4:58 AM, Pheng Kim Ving <[email protected]>wrote:
> The Cambodian people elect Hun Sen for 2 reasons: > > 1) for some, he saved the Khmer race from extinction as attempted by > the Khmer Rouge; he did so by asking Vietnam to destroy the Khmer > Rouge, and > Granted. Many Khmer seem to feel that their gratitude towards him will extend onto infinity with their future births as well. Such is the Khmer gratitude, I will agree to Neak Kampuchea on this one. > > 2) for all, he's the lesser of 2 evils, or perhaps the least of all > evils. > Really? Which is the other greater evil beside the CPP in Cambodia? > You and Neak Kampuchea share a common trait: you blame Vietnam for the > ills of Cambodia, while Neak Kampuchea blames Buddhism for the ills of > Cambodia. The common trait is the blaming game. Wake up!! Grow up!! Be > responsible for what you do!! > Where did I blame Vietnam? I made about 7 points up there why the CPP is corrupt and no oppositions ever come close to winning, and one statement about Vietnam sponsoring the CPP and you say I am blaming Vietnam? You need to grow up and read what people write instead of what you wish to see! Let me repeat those points again if you overlooked them: -we do not have a credible monitor for fair election. (According your statement, this is blaming of Cambodia's ills on Vietnam) -NEC is comprised of politically vested people. (This is Vietnam's doing too?) -main stream media seen and fool the vast majority of Cambodian through rosy picture are in CPP hands (Ah, so Vietnam runs CTN?) -that include CTN, TVK, BAYON, and all long band radios (Vietnam Radio?) -public opinion leadership influences audience opinions - all the stars and comedians public work to praise CPP every event (Vietnamese movie stars?) -threats and intimidation (Vietnamese police and commune chiefs?) -political killings of opposition commune chiefs, activists, and journalists (Vietnamese assassins?) -religious interference by Tep Vong in the religious order to favor CPP (Tep Vong belongs to Vietnamese order of Buddhism?) -Okhnas and Schools and public infrastructured built with Loan and country resource misattributed as CPP or specific Okhna donations (Are you telling me these Okhnas are Vietnamese?) If you can answer yes to all those questions and point I raised, then go ahead and say I placed all the ills on Vietnam, otherwise, keep your eyes open and read what's been written! And if you read any of Neak Kampuchea's previous statements, they're more than just about Khmer Buddhism. They were mainly praises for Vietnam, why it is better than Cambodia. Why the lost of Kampuchea lands are necessary and why we should be always be grateful to Vietnam. He sings a campaign for Vietnam, pure and simple. Now would calling him out on it from time to time mean that I am putting Cambodia's ills on Vietnam? I think not, Cambodia's ills as I outline above are Cambodia's problem. Grow up yourself! > > On Jul 26, 4:51 pm, Chamnap Keo <[email protected]> wrote: > > Please. Khmer have lost hope in CPP? Not according to recent surveys by > UNDP > > which has stated that majority of Cambodians believed that the CPP is > > leading them in the right direction! > > > > Why didn't Khmer vote for Sam Rainsy if they lost hope in CPP? The answer > > isn't as simple as "he's the same". Can you know that sugar and salt > taste > > the same without having to taste it yourself? Think about that. > > > > There are many reasons why oppositions, including the SRP, party still > loses > > year after year. > > -we do not have a credible monitor for fair election. > > -NEC is comprised of politically vested people. > > -main stream media seen and fool the vast majority of Cambodian through > rosy > > picture are in CPP hands > > -that include CTN, TVK, BAYON, and all long band radios > > -public opinion leadership influences audience opinions - all the stars > and > > comedians public work to praise CPP every event > > -threats and intimidation > > -political killings of opposition commune chiefs, activists, and > journalists > > -religious interference by Tep Vong in the religious order to favor CPP > > -Okhnas and Schools and public infrastructured built with Loan and > country > > resource misattributed as CPP or specific Okhna donations > > > > In short the truth is Khmer and Cambodians have been bamboozled by the > rich > > and powerful to remain stupid, subservient, and stay afraid of change. To > > fear "instability", this is basically threat and no other ways of saying > it > > is clearer! > > > > The CPP hold onto to its power solely because of it's clear bullying and > > threat tactics and distilling fear among citizens of instability. The > truth > > is, that might be the case, but it will only be instable because the CPP > has > > grabbed up for itself all the police forces, the arm forces- both > civilian > > and military rather then being independent neutral forces. > > > > So The CPP continues to threaten us everyday that it will cause > instability > > and bring to war, implicitly, if it lost. So before you say, people did > not > > vote CPP out because SRP or other oppositions are the same, you should > use > > your mind and analyze the facts. Give yourself a little dept of analysis. > > > > As concerns for Neak Kampuchea's statements, that people have lost hope > of > > CPP because CPP is trapped in King father's pocket. That is straight out > > exxageration, hoping to bring down the structure of constitutional > monarchy > > in the Khmer Kingdom, the only institution, that if strong enough may be > > able to gather its people in union that can really threaten the power of > CPP > > and its Vietnam puppet master. > > > > The CPP does nothing for royalty, it could care less what royalty want. > It > > is a mischaracterization to say that royalty is holding CPP hostage, > rather > > it is the other way around. > > > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Vonglokruta Khema > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > @.គ្មាននរណាទៅបំបិទសិទ្ធសេរីភាពក្នុងការនិយាយឬសរសេររបស់ អាម៉ាសៀរ > NeakKampuchea > > > ស្អីគេនេះទេ តែអ្វីដែលយើងស្អប់ខ្ពើមបំផុតនោះ គឺអា ម៉ាសៀរ នេះ វាខំព្យាយាម > > > បំផ្លាញ > > > Khmer Identity. R U understand អាគំរក់ អ្នក កម្ពុជនសម័យវប្បធម៌យួន. > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > > > *From:* kangaroo <[email protected]> > > > *To:* Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org< > > > [email protected]> > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 July 2011 3:57 AM > > > *Subject:* Re: We Neak-Kampuchea have completely lost our hope on CPP’s > > > members for transforming Cambodia as a real democratic state for a > bright > > > future to all Cambodian, but instead they have been trapped in the King > > > father Norodom Sihanook’s pocket. > > > > > If Cambodians lost their hope to CPP, then they should choose others. > > > If they can't do it this time, there will be another time. > > > Why didn't they elect Sam Rainsy? > > > Ofcourse, it's simple. Sam Rainsy is another individual of the same > > > kind. > > > Look at him. What kind of leader is he? > > > Does he have corruption and impunity in his blood? > > > Judge him for yourself. > > > Why did they not vote for him in the last twenty years? > > > > > On Jul 26, 6:15 am, Neak Kampuchea <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Free expression permits us to write and say what we have seen in > > > > Cambodia today, as corruption has been due to multiple royal life > time > > > > immunity title decrees, which could not be touched by any Cambodian > > > > law enforcement officers. “If you touch them, you get in trouble, or > > > > simple get fired”. > > > > > > Royal decrees for life time immunity have been stipulating impunity > > > > and all kid of corruptions with multiple abuses on Phnom Penh > streets, > > > > work places, sexual harassment, and sexual violence as well, in > > > > Cambodia today. > > > > > > We did hear cars collision on Phnom Penh’s streets, and certain > > > > drunken drivers didn’t care right or wrong, but pulled gun with > > > > assault words to other sites in presence of police officers. But > those > > > > police agents let them quickly go free without trying to find any > > > > evidence of road accidents, because they couldn’t touch them as they > > > > know they have “royal life time immunity”. If you touch them, you get > > > > in trouble with your job downgrade or simply get fired, if those > > > > assailants are Super-sub-king or Minor-sub king’s sons or daughters. > > > > > > We also hear young and beautiful girl singer actors have been gun > down > > > > because they refused to obey order for meeting someone. Some were > > > > died, some are completely disable and we didn’t hear police could > > > > catch one of them for putting in jail until today. > > > > > > Why? The answer is that police and investigators couldn’t handle over > > > > “royal life time immunity decree”. > > > > > > There are also a great number of hidden “royal life times immunity” > > > > abuses on seizing building construction lands, plantation farms or > > > > farm lands, on Judicial, police, military, and administrative system > > > > all over Cambodia as this “king of king system” is still existed and > > > > hung overhead of Cambodia’s government and its people. Because they > > > > believe that 80% of Cambodian are superstitious under the title of > > > > perplexity Buddhists, or in other words, they are Buddhar-hinduism- > > > > hybrid. > > > > > > How Cambodian Democracy could freely go through, as it’s should be, > if > > > > this plague could not be healed? > > > > > > This is what we have found. > > > > > > We can uncover that some unpleasant information are longtime hidden > > > > behind our thought. It ‘s the strategy of King Father Norodom > > > > Sihanouk, after his several political maneuvering failures for > seizing > > > > power from Mr. Hun Sen, who has instead, at the end game, been > > > > successfully locking up all royal family members to a stand still. > > > > > > We have also found that, the king father has another covert plan, > > > > which has two-phase approaches. First a praising and repeated > praising > > > > Mr. Hun Sen and other cpp’s high ranking officials for making them > > > > happy and feel themselves little kings, see themselves flying, higher > > > > and higher to a new given top ranking royal title decrees. This royal > > > > title ruling makes them too joyful, then they are became unconscious > > > > of a secret establishment from them, as a Super-sub-king (Samdech) > and > > > > Minor-sub-king (Ech-Odom, Chum-Tiv and Ok-Nha), whom are intended for > > > > getting their support and protection back for the Kingship, then they > > > > are themselves, in return, locked up in the royal circle for ever by > > > > the king Father Tactic. > > > > > > This is a royalist tradition for self defense strategy since it’s > been > > > > Hinduism of god Shiva in Khmer Empire 1000 years ago. > > > > > > First phase: 1- Samdech Hun Sen. > > > > 2- Samdech Chea Sim. > > > > 3- Samdech Heng Sam Rin. > > > > 4- Several dozen Ech-Odom. > > > > 5- Several hundred Ok-Nha and Chom-Tiv. > > > > > > Please be informed that Super-sub-king and Minor-sub-kings clusters > > > > have been created for a building block as a powerful human shield, > > > > which has a real authority for publicly echoing protection the Great > > > > king. This is an old Khmer royal stratagem for the king to have > > > > additional power, if he is surrounded by powerful Super-sub-king > > > > cluster or in other words the king of kings system is the must for > the > > > > ultimate king to keep power going. > > > > > > The first royal test performed by King Sihanouk was to give them one > > > > royal title “Samdech”, Ech-Odom, Chum-Tiv and Ok-Nha for getting > “life > > > > time royal immunity” as long as they are alive. They are then so > happy > > > > to have them, and they have been self-upgrading their behaviors, as > > > > title kings, toward surrounding crowds. We are seeing them > > > > demonstrating this calling “Samdech”, “Ech-Odom” and “Ok-Nha” to the > > > > general public. > > > > > > Later on, the second step has started proceeding for more exited > royal > > > > titles. But later on its comes back through the so-called “Reachea > > > > bandith Saphear”for making them more valuable before the public and > > > > international. > > > > > > Second phase: > > > > 1-----Samdech + Ac-keak-Mohasena Pac-dey Decho + Hun Sen. > > > > 2----Samdech + Thoir-ma-poh thea-sa-pac-dey+ Chea Sim. > > > > 3----Samdech + Po-nhea chac-krey + Heng Sam Rin. > > > > 4---Chumteav + Prith-thear Kat-teik Bandith + Bunary > > > > 5---Chumteav + Prith-thear Kat-teik Bandith + Men Sam An > > > > 6--Ech-Odom + Bandith Sopheacha + Sok An > > > > > > These Kind of royal supreme titles have been inter-acting each other > > > > and slowly melting together for forming a very powerful group that > > > > could be lasting, for a quite long time in ancient period, since > Khmer > > > > people had believed for 1000 years that the king is a living God. > > > > > > But for nowadays, this could never be able to prolong for a long > > > > period, when people’s education, > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" group. > This is an unmoderated forum. 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