Claus,

I'm glad you see the problem. Arguably, difficulties with routing configurations is one of the the biggest obstacles on wider Camel adoption. There is nothing more frustrating than knowing exactly what you want in terms of EIP but spending many hours with so minor issue as syntax.

Interesting enough, I was thinking about it yesterday too and my conclusion is such that it is very difficult to achieve smooth configuration using xml. It is not the tool for the job. I mean it can do it (it does it currently) and we can keep improving it but will we get the easiest possible way of configuring camel routes? I'll skip large philosophical discussion but in my opinion xml sometimes becomes victim of its own success and programmers try to stretch its application beyond the reasons because "xml is so great, I would add it to my salad if I could" :)

Basically we are trying to define Abstract Syntax Tree in xml serialized form. People don't usually think in terms of AST.

We can give a whirl an idea of Domain Specific Language (DSL). I have some under my belt and it is not too difficult. The result would look like this (syntax can be any, but I'm trying to be java script alike):

routes {
  route {
    from 'queue:Incoming'
    process {
      bean 'org.my.company.camel' 'MyFunction'
      aggregator()
    }
    if (header('myHeader') == 'value1') {
      to 'queue:Outgoing'
    } else {
      to 'queue:Alternative'
    }
  }
}

I thought about juel (or others evaluators).
I see a problem that those languagas will dictate syntax which may be not optimal for camel route definition domain. Another and bigger problem is that external language will not detect camel invalid constructions. For example creating serializer but not assigning it data format would be invalid in camel but from Juel point of view it would be perfectly ok. Having our own syntax parser will let us detect any syntax deviations and provide user with very clear and informative error messages for example " 'bean' or 'aggregator' are expected inside in 'process' ".

Another benefit we get is Backus-Naur Form (BNF) file which is human readable and is very easy to use in documentation. As opposite to xml schema which can be used for learning purposes but I would not risk claiming it a recommended way.

Here are fragments of BNF as I see it:
route :
        ROUTE
        | from_list process_list to_list
        ;
...
process_list :
        /* can be empty*/
        | process
        | process process_list /* works as pipiline */
        ;
        
process :
        /* can be empty */
        | BEAN LITERAL
        | MULTICAST '{ process_list '}'
        | PIPELINE '{' process_list '}'
        | SPLIT LITERAL
        | AGGREGATE expression
        | AGGREGATE
        | resequence
        ;

resequence :
        BATCH RESEQUENCE
        | BATCH RESEQUENCE expression
        | BATCH RESEQUENCE NUMBER NUMBER
        | BATCH RESEQUENCE NUMBER NUMBER '(' expression_list ')'
        | STREAM RESEQUENCE resequence_options
        | STREAM RESEQUENCE resequence_options '(' expression ')'
        ;

to_list :
        to
        | to to_list
        ;
        
to :
        LITERAL
        | IF '(' bool_expression ')' THEN to
        | IF '(' bool_expression ')' THEN to ELSE to
        ;

If you guys think it worth a try I can mock up a prototype.
I think I would build an AST and then have another process which would traverse AST and invoke RouteBuilder to build the actual route. This way we preserve backward compatibility with existing ways of building routes.

This route builder would be a separate plugin in order to be as little invasive as possible.

AST can be used in future to build graph representation of camel routes without building the actual routes. I recall James recent comment that building route for display purpose only (without running it) added some complexity.

Let me know what do you think folks.
Vadim.


Claus Ibsen wrote:
Hi

I would suggest to restructure the camel spring xml format a bit.

The overall goal is:
====================
- ease of use

Current situations:
===================
- there are too many different types of xml tags possible that confuses end-users. - most list types don't have a parent "holder" so they are mixed with all the others


IDE auto completion
===================
Using the IDE auto complete reveals many of these problems. For instance in the 
root camelContext tag, you get datatypes, endpoint, spring remoting, and other 
stuff and of course the routes etc is a bit of mixed content.

I would suggest to restructure the xml so you have some parent holder tags to 
ease end-users.


Motivation behind
=================
I would love the spring xml to be more firm and structured before letting loose 
my programming team on the spring xml instead of java DSL. Having IDE 
completion with less mixed type of elements would help a lot.

Camel 1.5
=========
We are nearly there I think the daatatypes must be restructure so they don't 
appear in the tag list from the root tag. Now you get articDS, xmlBeans, 
string, hl7, xstram and others. I think they should be child tags of a parent 
holder tag named dataTypes. This will help a lot.

I thing this change can be done in camel 1.5 without breaking to much. After 
all we have a bug in Camel so datatypes configured as camel tags isn't useable 
from the marshal and unmarshal tags. So it doesn't work (CAMEL-871).


Camel 2.0
=========
For Camel 2.0 we can consider having parent holders for
- endpoints
- routes
- the spring remote stuff
- jmx

And I also think the <package> tag should have a parent holder that better describes what it does. As now it's a bit of magic for new users reading the spring xml. Package doesn't hint that is the route builder and that is it a very important tag. Also we should consider making it possible to configure <package> as classnames or spring bean ids. So you better can get the link from camel context to what java class is the actual route builder.
We could consider having a restructure for this and have it something on the 
way as:

<routeBuilder>
   <package>com.acme</package>
</routeBuilder>

Or even better I think:

<routeBuilder>
   <builder package="com.acme"/>
</rouyteBuilder>

<routeBuilder>
   <builder class="com.acme.MyCheeseRoute"/>
   <builder class="com.acme.MyBeerRoute"/>
</rouyteBuilder>


And the spring ref variation is also very great:

<bean id="cheeseRoute" class="com.acme.MyCheeseRoute"/>

<routeBuilder>
   <builder ref="cheeseRoute/>
</rouyteBuilder>



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