Steve, I second your comments -- I too find using the
BM when visiting some sites disconcerting.

Marion Moon
--- Steve Benner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 11:09 pm -0500 21/12/04, Mike Pinkerton wrote:
> 
> >[snip]
> >For these reasons, it had to go. It is an old
> argument. People have 
> >said to me "I must have the sidebar, you lost me as
> a user". That's 
> >nice, drive through. The solution isn't easy. Maybe
> a standalone 
> >window might be a good option. That's a future
> extension that i'm 
> >kicking around in the back of my head.
> >
> 
> I never really use bookmarks much myself -- such
> things as I visit on 
> the web are usually of such fleeting interest to me
> that the thought 
> of managing an accumulated list of things that have
> held my interest 
> for a time leaves me cold -- so I've never really
> taken much notice 
> of Camino's Bookmark Manager.  Just recently,
> though, I've had 
> occasion to use it once or twice and I would like to
> point out one 
> feature that it has that currently makes its use
> less than intuitive.
> 
> As it stands (2004122908 (v0.8+)), when invoked, the
> Bookmark Manager 
> takes over the entire currently active Camino
> window.  This means 
> that when using Camino in tabbed mode (i.e. with
> more than one active 
> tab) the BM content replaces not only the currently
> viewed web page 
> but also the row of tabs.  The result is that the
> user gets the 
> impression that the BM has opened in a new window.
> 
> Personally, I find it is not intuitive to use the
> same operation as 
> got me here (click on Bookmarks icon, or toggle
> Bookmarks | Show/Hide 
> All Bookmarks) to reverse the operation when the
> operation gives the 
> impression that it opened a new window. 
> Consequently, I find that I 
> usually dismiss the entire Camino window without
> thinking about it 
> when I've finished with the Bookmark Manager -- only
> to curse roundly 
> when I discover that this lost me my entire opened
> tab-set.
> 
> I would suggest the following changes need to be
> considered here:
> 
> 1. Either the BM should open cleanly in a separate
> window, or a new tab
> 
> OR
> 
> 2. It needs to indicate far more clearly that it has
> put the browser 
> into some new "mode"--perhaps hide most things in
> the toolbar except 
> Back and Bookmarks, for instance?  At the very
> least, the Bookmarks 
> icon should indicate its 'latched' state so that it
> becomes visually 
> obvious that releasing it will restore the browser
> to its previous 
> state.
> 
> Just my tuppen'orth   :)
> 
> -Steve
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