Can we *please* not waste everyone's time with an abortion discussion? Have it in the wiki, or better yet, have it in private email and don't waste anyone's public bandwidth on it.
Luis On 10/19/06, Chad Lupkes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Rob, Doesn't the Bible teach that life begins at the first breath? Isn't part of the mythology that Mary had to decide whether or not to end her pregnancy? Or at least whether Joseph would stay with Mary until the child was born? If it is against the Western tradition to "kill babies" or (my addition) allow them to be killed, why don't our laws require that all children receive free health care paid for by the community from the moment of conception to the moment of natural death? Why aren't we do everything in our power to prevent abortions by teaching our teenagers about birth control along side the "just say no" concept that is failing us so badly? I'll tell you why. Because the Catholic Church teaches that we will pay for our sins in some future eternity, and that any suffering that we have to endure in this life is insignificant. The same mentality teaches radical Muslims that their reward in a future life will be beyond their imagination if they create suffering for their enemies in this life. It's a lie. It's a tool used to encourage the domination of the many under the hand of the few. It's a justification used to force people to tolerate the intolerable, to allow the inexcusable and to accomplish the unthinkable. We have one world. This one. We have one life to have an influence over. This one. The Bible tells us to be "fruitful and multiply". It does not tell us to be fruitful and multiply to the point that our population numbers make life unbearable and unsustainable. G-d set the rules of the game, and has granted us with free will to play the game. If we destroy the game board, G-d is not going to save us. He will wait a few million years and try again with a new species. He has all the time in the Universe. We don't. I will agree to a 100% ban on abortions when we have completely eliminated unwanted pregnancy from the earth. If we could work together, we could do both. Big "IF", isn't it. Chad Lupkes Volunteer Admin - Campaigns Wikia On 10/19/06, CH Rob J King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Jennifer, > > When I first read your Wiki-campaign e-mail, I thought what a wonderful idea > to seek multi-partisanship! Indeed, issues such as the Environment, a > Living Wage and the War in Iraq are obviously not just Republican or > Democrat or Independent issues because they affect everyone (no clean water > in the Desert SouthWest = Environmental catastrophe!). > > Concerning the killing of babies, however, a practice condemned throughout > the history of the Western legal tradition (from the 4th century under the > Roman Emperor Constantine, throughout the history of Europe and N. America > and well into the 20th century prior to 1972), this is an issue where no > common ground can be found. > > For example, the Catholic Church, an organization that has 1 billion members > firmly condemns this practice as an intrinsically evil act. Similarly, > Pentecostal Christianity, a type of religious expression with 500 million+ > members, also firmly condemns this practice as murder. In that the United > States with a population of only 300 million, and by a vote of only 5-4 in > Roe v. Wade has wrongly determined that babies deserve no legal protection > to live, the burden of proof now lies with the United States of America in > demonstrating why the lives of babies should not be protected. Indeed, even > Islam and Buddhism, two other major world religions have similar > prohibitions against taking the lives of babies. > > Sincerely, > > Rob J. King, Republican > > cc: Randall Terry, Pro-Life Activist > > Ken Mehlman, Chair of the Republican National Committee > > Dave Plummer, Coalition of Spirit-Filled Churches > > Sr. Jacinta Krecek, OSF, Diocese of South Bend/Ft. Wayne > > > CH Rob J. King, M.Div., Th.M., Ph.D. (ABD*) > Chaplain, 345th, AR-MEDCOM > Professor of Bible and Christian Ministry Grand Canyon University-Online > Abiding Life Christian Ministries--Phoenix > http://abidinglifephoenix.com/default.aspx > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ________________________________ > From: "Jennifer M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Campaigns-l] Help a good cause and get a look at a wiki > drivenletter writing campaign. > Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:34:06 -0700 > > > > > Hi guys, > I know this isn't totally on topic for this list, but you guys are totally > tapped into wikis and it seemed like you might be interested. I've been > working on a letter writing campaign for the last 40 hours and a wiki turned > out to be the most useful part of it... and it's taught me that it maybe > would be good to have some templates laying around a wiki to make something > like this easier to throw together. You might be curious even if you're not > interested in the political cause itself just because this might become a > standard part of campaigns wikia as it grows and evolves. Anyway, I'll cut > to the political blurb now :-) > > ... > > Harry Welty is a Congressional Candidate running to represent Duluth, > Minnesota. He's also affiliated himself with Unity08 and the Unity Movement, > a multipartisan movement with the goal of getting national attention off > divisive issues like abortion and onto issues that will seriously affect the > welfare of Americans for generations to come, like the massive National Debt > that threatens to fiscally cripple the U.S. just in time for our young > people to inherit it. > > If this is the first time you've heard about Harry Welty you can get a quick > one page summary with links to his blog and his campaign website at this > website: > > http://unitysupporters.com/wiki/index.php?title=Harry_Welty > > Harry was been told by the Duluth News Tribune and the local public > television station WDSE PBS-8 that he can't debate because he doesn't belong > to a political party that fielded a candidate who won at least 5% of the > vote in the previous election. 14 years ago Harry Welty ran as an *unknown* > independent against Oberstar and took 7% of the vote. Since then he's served > on the Duluth School Board and been a columnist for The Reader Weekly. *So > far* that doesn't matter to the people in charge of the debates (but we're > trying to change that). > > The decision makers seem to care about political machinery instead of > people, parties instead of candidates. It's not right. Harry deserves a > chance in the debates. Please forward this email to everyone you know who > might be interested. Then go to the link below and learn about emails and > phone calls you can make to try to help Harry get chance in the debates: > > http://unitysupporters.com/wiki/index.php?title=Letter_Campaign_For_Harry_Welty > > Thanks for taking the time to read this, thanks for taking the time to pass > this on, and thanks for visiting the link above and doing something to help > Harry. Please do it fast. The debates are on Friday, October 20, 2006 and > after that point forwarding this or sending email won't be very useful. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Campaigns-l mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/campaigns-l > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Campaigns-l mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/campaigns-l > > > _______________________________________________ Campaigns-l mailing list [email protected] http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/campaigns-l
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