Thanks Ron, Bru, Bruce and David.

I now know I was almost right in my argument the other day! 8'c off but right 
in principle.

He hasn't got the machine but "can get it in portugal" like many other 
marvelous inventions most of which defy physics. I used to just nod and let him 
get on with it but it now more fun to argue the point!

Thanks for your help chaps and I look forward to seeing this turbo turbine 
powered coffee machine that will run from boat batts!!!
Cheers
Lee wells

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Trust the boater but not his plank!

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 27 November 2008 19:54
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [canals-list] Off topic. How hot can water get?

Kennet Boater wrote:
 > Hi all,
 >
 > After a discussion about coffee makers last night I am left with a
 > question which the more scientifically minded can possibly help with.
 >
 > My friend says that in his home country of portugal he can buy a
 > coffee machine that heats the water to 150'c.
 >
 > Now I always thought that water only ever got to about 92'c (or there
 > abouts I can't remember the actual number) and then turned to steam.
 > The more heat you put into the water after that temp the faster the
 > steam is produced hence 'rapid' boil. roling boil. simmer' etc.
 >
 > Can any one clarify as to what temp water will get to before it turns
 > to steam (boiling point) and if you can get water to 150'c and remain
 > in its water state not turning to steam.
 >
 > I'm sure you'd burn your mouth if you drank coffee at 150'c any way.
 > Im going to stick to my stove top espresso machine! Lovley!!!!

 <santa mode on>
 Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho
 <santa mode off>
 Not a hope in hell of getting 150C - my guess is he's got some US device and
 it's 150F...
 That temp requires 54psig to prevent boiling. Not going to happen in a
 domestic device.

 Water boils at 100C, not 92C. Just put the lid on the saucepan! Water
 needs 4.18 joules to raise the temperature of 1g by 1C, it needs 2300 Joules
 to boil off 1g. If the lid is off there is a lot of cooling by evaporation

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