Hi Harshana, On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Harshana Martin <harsh...@wso2.com> wrote:
> Hi Senaka, > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Senaka Fernando <sen...@wso2.com> wrote: > >> Hi Harshana, >> >> As someone who's already familiar with Carbon Studio, I don't find any >> issues. I know where to start and where to go next and what to do. You too >> know that, and that is why you get back to me with do this and do that >> responses. > > > True :) > > >> >> >> But, for a new user, the download page is not @ all informative, and >> he/she will be lost. We have a pattern in all Carbon based products, where >> you can first download the binary and then read the INSTALL.txt and the >> README.txt and start using the product, which CS does not follow. To >> emphasize this point, I mentioned, "as a user already using ESB and DSS". >> > > I agree that there is a pattern in other Carbon products and CS does not > follow it. > > This is because CS is an extension for Eclipse rather than another of > Carbon based product. Having said that, when we implement an extension to > Eclipse, we need to follow the guidelines of Eclipse rather than the > guidelines of Carbon because it is going to be an extension to Eclipse. For > example, when we design the menus and other UI elements in CS, we need to > stick with Eclipse best practices rather than Carbon UI design guidelines. > Otherwise users who are already familiar with Eclipse are getting confused > and it seems to be wrong. > > In my personal opinion, expecting CS to behave in the same manner like > other Carbon Servers does not make much sense to me since they are > completely different products and work in completely different ways. If an > user expecting an IDE to work like a Server, well.. it does not make any > sense to me.. It's just what i feel :). > >> >> I believe that we need a more user friendly solution to help people get >> started. >> > > ++1 for idea. I'm positive we can come up with such solutions. > > If there is something we can do to help users, we should definitely do > that. But that solution has to make sense in that context. We should not > violate accepted practices in that domain :). > Yes, perhaps we can fix the downloads page in someway perhaps. Anyway not being a Carbon Server, does not mean that you also should not attach a LICENSE.txt at least, which you probably need to do. And, at least a bare-minimum README.txt might help. Just a thought. Thanks, Senaka. > > Thanks and Regards, > Harshana > >> >> Thanks, >> Senaka. >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Harshana Martin <harsh...@wso2.com>wrote: >> >>> Hi Senaka, >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Senaka Fernando <sen...@wso2.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Now here's my scenario, I want to install and run CS 1.0.14 as a user >>>> who's already using WSO2 ESB and WSO2 DS. >>>> >>>> 1. I went to the Downloads page. >>>> 2. I found the Binary and downloaded the zip file. >>>> >>> >>> You downloaded which binary distribution? >>> >>> We have 2 types of distributions, p2 repo distribution and CS >>> pre-installed Eclipse instances. So your next step depends on the >>> distribution you downloaded. >>> >>> 3. Extracted the zip file. >>>> >>> >>> If you have downloaded the P2 repo, this step is not required and >>> not recommended. >>> >>>> >>>> I get no LICENSE, no README, >>> >>> >>> This also depends on the distribution. If you got P2 repo, license >>> information are embedded inside the content.xml file which resides in >>> content.jar inside the p2 repo distribution. >>> >>> If you download the pre installed Eclipse, you can find the license in >>> the root level IIRC. >>> >>> and so, as a user, how am I supposed to start using this? >>>> >>> >>> I think you are supposed to refer installation guide [1] :). >>> >>> [1]. >>> http://wso2.org/project/carbon-studio/1.0.14/docs/install_guide.html >>> >>> Thanks and Regards, >>> Harshana >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Senaka. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Senaka Fernando* >>>> Product Manager - WSO2 Governance Registry; >>>> Associate Technical Lead; WSO2 Inc.; http://wso2.com* >>>> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://apache.org >>>> >>>> E-mail: senaka AT wso2.com >>>> **P: +1 408 754 7388; ext: 51736*; *M: +94 77 322 1818 >>>> Linked-In: http://linkedin.com/in/senakafernando >>>> >>>> *Lean . Enterprise . Middleware >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Harshana Martin >>> Software Engineer >>> WSO2 Inc. >>> Web:http://wso2.com >>> http://wso2.org >>> >>> Mobile: +94 716062650 >>> Blog: http://harshana05.blogspot.com >>> Profile: https://www.google.com/profiles/harshana05 >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/harshana05 >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Senaka Fernando* >> Product Manager - WSO2 Governance Registry; >> Associate Technical Lead; WSO2 Inc.; http://wso2.com* >> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://apache.org >> >> E-mail: senaka AT wso2.com >> **P: +1 408 754 7388; ext: 51736*; *M: +94 77 322 1818 >> Linked-In: http://linkedin.com/in/senakafernando >> >> *Lean . Enterprise . Middleware >> >> > > > -- > Harshana Martin > Software Engineer > WSO2 Inc. > Web:http://wso2.com > http://wso2.org > > Mobile: +94 716062650 > Blog: http://harshana05.blogspot.com > Profile: https://www.google.com/profiles/harshana05 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/harshana05 > > -- *Senaka Fernando* Product Manager - WSO2 Governance Registry; Associate Technical Lead; WSO2 Inc.; http://wso2.com* Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://apache.org E-mail: senaka AT wso2.com **P: +1 408 754 7388; ext: 51736*; *M: +94 77 322 1818 Linked-In: http://linkedin.com/in/senakafernando *Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
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