I think if PyPI had a ratings system that more closely matched some kind of (perhaps updated) consensus on what would be "useful", this conversation could focus more on what that looks like and who might implement it, which would be more constructive IMHO. Attempting to completely eradicate a feature by trying to collect anecdotal input doesn't seem like the way to go.
Why don't we start a new thread about what a good ratings system looks like and try to get actual consensus from it so real work can get done? I, for one, am not a fan of the ratings system, but I don't agree that PyPI has no business having one. I'd be happy if someone came up with a system that was useful enough to justify its existence. Maybe there are just particular features of the existing system that make it hard or unintuitive for end users to use in a meaningful way, which then makes any resulting 'rating' useless to anyone else who happens by. Regardless, I suspect some of the vitriol toward the existing system is really about features of the system, and not about the existence of the system. Catalogs have ratings systems. I'd argue that a lot of sites that have ratings systems are, in fact, catalogs to one degree or another. Including Amazon. Jacob, what would make you *want* those emails you're getting as a package owner? What would make users *want* to leave feedback that would be useful to maintainers & other users? On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Tres Seaver <tsea...@palladion.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 04/05/2011 02:28 PM, Jacob Kaplan-Moss wrote: > > Hi folks -- > > > > Just got another one of these: > > > >> From: PyPI operators <rich...@python.org> > >> Subject: New rating on Django > >> > >> [REPLIES TO THIS MESSAGE WILL NOT GO TO THE COMMENTER] > >> xen has rated your package as 0/5. Comment (optional): > > > > I'd like to ask, again, to turn off ratings on PyPI packages. > > > > How is this feature helpful to anyone at all? > > > > * It's not helpful to me as a maintainer: I have no idea *why* "xen" > > gave this rating. > > * It's not helpful to users: they have no idea what "0" means. > > * It's not helpful to "xen": his feedback can't be acted upon, so > > we'll never be able to aprove. > > * It's not helpful to PyPI: what value does "0/5" provide to a catalog? > > * It's not helpful to the Python language: how does "0/5" in any way > > help Python users choose tools? > > > > PyPI is a catalog. Naive rating/voting features aren't part of that > > mission. Can we please turn this ill-considered, useless feature off? > > +1 > > > Tres. > - -- > =================================================================== > Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com > Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAk2cgaoACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ7z8QCfXtNSjv7P/GyQTbvGu2b1o6sx > 7fkAmwR4uLD1jU4UP5C8C+llHVBj7lUI > =i/Zg > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Catalog-SIG mailing list > Catalog-SIG@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/catalog-sig > -- Brian K. Jones My Blog http://www.protocolostomy.com Follow me http://twitter.com/bkjones
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