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>    1. Re: Missing machine readable notice statement in all      CC4.0
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> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 22:25:13 -0700
> From: Mike Linksvayer <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [cc-devel] Missing machine readable notice statement in
>         all     CC4.0 licenses
> To: Tarmo Toikkanen <[email protected]>
> Cc: "[email protected] devel" <[email protected]>,
>         Antoine Isaac <[email protected]>
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> RDFa in the deed describes the corresponding license, and cc:Notice is a
> cc:Requirement which is in the range of cc:requires which has a domain of
> cc:License. A specific copyright notice would be pertinent to a licensed
> work -- if this were called out with RDFa, perhaps dc:rights or another
> refinement(s...there are potentially notices of copyright, license,
> modification, warranty disclaimer)  thereof, it'd go in the HTML published
> with the licensed work.
>
> If I were writing an automatic remixing tool I'd go with "...it may be
> reasonable to satisfy the conditions by providing a URI or hyperlink to a
> resource that includes the required information." -- hyperlink to the
> publisher's site, possibly including various notices in languages I can't
> discern, and archive that page if you want to do something extra. You can't
> count on anyone to properly annotate such notices anyway, so a tool that
> looks for them can't be foolproof. You can pretty much count on them not
> being properly annotated, as title and creator name usually aren't despite
> being in the CC chooser forever. IANAL etc.
>
> Maarten is right that the cc:Notice annotation ought be added back to the
> deed. I might not add it to the text concerning indication of modification
> as notice isn't specific only to that, but that's very close to right. IMHO
> etc.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Tarmo Toikkanen <[email protected]
> >wrote:
>
> > As the 4.0 license allows for licensees to specify a custom copyright
> > notice, which reusers must retain in any reproductions and
> redistributions,
> > would the new cc:Notice tag actually contain this custom copyright
> notice,
> > or is it for something else?
> >
> > I for one would like to see the copyright notice be part of the license
> > RDFa, since it's unrealistic to expect reusers to retain information that
> > can only be found by visually browsing the publisher's site, and trying
> to
> > locate such information (possibly in a foreign language, even).
> >
> > --
> > Tarmo Toikkanen
> > [email protected]
> > http://tarmo.fi
> >
> > On Thursday 13. 03 2014 at 1.30, Maarten Zeinstra wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Recently I've been working with Antoine Isaac (in cc) from Europeana on
> > the machine readability of the deed pages of the 4.0 licenses. Antoine
> > noticed that the RDF attached to the attribution license (and all other
> > licenses) was not in sync with the separate RDF file.
> >
> > Compare:
> >
> > the RDFa of http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ (using
> >
> http://www.w3.org/2012/pyRdfa/extract?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fcreativecommons.org%2Flicenses%2Fby%2F4.0%2F&format=turtle&rdfagraph=output&vocab_expansion=false&rdfa_lite=false&embedded_rdf=true&space_preserve=true&vocab_cache=true&vocab_cache_report=false&vocab_cache_refresh=false
> > )
> > to
> > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/rdf
> >
> > The latter has a cc:requires cc:Notice which is missing in the former.
> >
> > The consequence of this is that machine readers could get confused
> because
> > there are contradicting sources. Also software based on this standard
> could
> > produce wrong information.
> >
> > To fix this problem we propose to move the the rdfa of cc:Attribution and
> > add a cc:Notice RDFa tag. We've created a pull request that details this
> > change here:
> > https://github.com/creativecommons/creativecommons.org/pull/18
> >
> > What do you guys think of this change request? Did we overlook something
> > and is this the most elegant way to fix this problem?
> >
> > Many thanks to Antoine for pointing this out and working on a fix with
> me.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Maarten
> >
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> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:04:18 +0100
> From: Maarten Zeinstra <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [cc-devel] Missing machine readable notice statement in
>         all CC4.0 licenses
> To: Mike Linksvayer <[email protected]>, Tarmo Toikkanen
>         <[email protected]>
> Cc: " [email protected] devel "        <
> [email protected]>,
>         Antoine Isaac <[email protected]>
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> Hi Mike,
>
> Putting the implications of CC-rel aside you agree that we need to modify
> that document.?
>
> If it were up to you where would you place that RDFa? You indicated that
> putting it on top of ?indicate if changes were made? is not ideal, I agree.
> But it is the best possible place on the page as it is now, if you ask me.
> Antoine and I also considered creating an empty span to communicate this
> RDF, however according to Antoine (who know way more about this than I)
> search engine consider them spam and might lower the ranking of CC?s pages.
>
> The ideal solution could be to change the explanation from:
>
> Attribution ? You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the
> license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable
> manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your
> use.
>
> to?
>
> Attribution ? You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the
> license, and indicate if changes were made while keeping any notices
> intact. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that
> suggests the licensor endorses you or your use.
>
> and add the RDFa to the newly added words. That is however something that
> the lawyers and community need to discuss.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
>
>
> Bottom line: as it stands now we provide two machine readable resources
> that claim different requirements of the licenses, that needs to be fixed.
>
> Best,
>
> Maarten
> --?
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> On 14 Mar 2014 at 6:25:14 , Mike Linksvayer ([email protected]) wrote:
>
> RDFa in the deed describes the corresponding license, and cc:Notice is a
> cc:Requirement which is in the range of cc:requires which has a domain of
> cc:License. A specific copyright notice would be pertinent to a licensed
> work -- if this were called out with RDFa, perhaps dc:rights or another
> refinement(s...there are potentially notices of copyright, license,
> modification, warranty disclaimer) ?thereof, it'd go in the HTML published
> with the licensed work.
>
> If I were writing an automatic remixing tool I'd go with?"...it may be
> reasonable to satisfy the conditions by providing a URI or hyperlink to a
> resource that includes the required information." -- hyperlink to the
> publisher's site, possibly including various notices in languages I can't
> discern, and archive that page if you want to do something extra. You can't
> count on anyone to properly annotate such notices anyway, so a tool that
> looks for them can't be foolproof. You can pretty much count on them not
> being properly annotated, as title and creator name usually aren't despite
> being in the CC chooser forever. IANAL etc.
>
> Maarten is right that the cc:Notice annotation ought be added back to the
> deed. I might not add it to the text concerning indication of modification
> as notice isn't specific only to that, but that's very close to right. IMHO
> etc.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Tarmo Toikkanen <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> As the 4.0 license allows for licensees to specify a custom copyright
> notice, which reusers must retain in any reproductions and redistributions,
> would the new cc:Notice tag actually contain this custom copyright notice,
> or is it for something else?
>
> I for one would like to see the copyright notice be part of the license
> RDFa, since it?s unrealistic to expect reusers to retain information that
> can only be found by visually browsing the publisher?s site, and trying to
> locate such information (possibly in a foreign language, even).
>
> --?
> Tarmo Toikkanen
> [email protected]
> http://tarmo.fi
>
> On Thursday 13. 03 2014 at 1.30, Maarten Zeinstra wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Recently I?ve been working with Antoine Isaac (in cc) from Europeana on
> the machine readability of the deed pages of the 4.0 licenses. Antoine
> noticed that the RDF attached to the attribution license (and all other
> licenses) was not in sync with the separate RDF file.
>
> Compare:
>
> the RDFa of?
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/?(using?http://www.w3.org/2012/pyRdfa/extract?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fcreativecommons.org%2Flicenses%2Fby%2F4.0%2F&format=turtle&rdfagraph=output&vocab_expansion=false&rdfa_lite=false&embedded_rdf=true&space_preserve=true&vocab_cache=true&vocab_cache_report=false&vocab_cache_refresh=false)
> to
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/rdf?
>
> The latter has a cc:requires cc:Notice which is?missing in the former.
>
> The consequence of this is that machine readers could get confused because
> there are contradicting sources. Also software based on this standard could
> produce wrong information.
>
> To fix this problem we propose to move the the rdfa of cc:Attribution and
> add a cc:Notice RDFa tag. We?ve created a pull request that details this
> change here:?
> https://github.com/creativecommons/creativecommons.org/pull/18
>
> What do you guys think of this change request? Did we overlook something
> and is this the most elegant way to fix this problem?
>
> Many thanks to Antoine for pointing this out and working on a fix with me.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Maarten
>
> --?
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