Hi Marc,
Ok. But isn't the broadcast statement on my frame maps taking care of 
underlying connectivity for OSPF ?

No i only put them on the hub, seemed more logical to me.
On Jul 22, 2011, at 2:23 PM, marc abel wrote:

> Yes, you set the Hub as the DR because it is the only one with a full
> mesh to the others. As for the advantage of broadcast type over NBMA,
> two that I can think of. 1. You don't need neighbor statements (but
> you do need the broadcast on your frame maps). 2. Faster timers
> 
> As for your neighbors below, did you have neighbor statements on R4
> and R5? You only have to have the neighbor statement on one side to
> bring up the relationship.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Alef <[email protected]> wrote:
>> So i am playing around with OSPF. FR cloud with a hub, R2 and neighbors R4, 
>> R5 and R6.
>> No adjacencies are formed yet. I add some neighbors on the hub. No ospf 
>> network types are defined, normal NBMA FR cloud.
>> 
>> Below is what happened when i add neighbors, remove them again, and the ospf 
>> adjacencies keep forming despite that these are not configured on the hub 
>> anymore. Not until the ospf network type broadcast is defined they really 
>> don't come up anymore. Does this has something to do with the DR (maybe R2, 
>> didn't check) still has a link-state database and communicates it back to 
>> the neighbors. If so, wouldn't that be some violation of RFC? Doesn't seem 
>> right if i remove the neighbors they still come up! Is there some purge time 
>> for it to be removed from the database?
>> 
>> Some questions:
>> -Why do we have to set the hub to be the DR? Is it because the hub is the 
>> one who has a full mesh to all the pvc's  and the others don't ?
>> -And what is the benefit of setting it to the ip ospf network broadcast 
>> statement over say nbma ? A DR gets elected on broadcast network type as 
>> well.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Alef
>> 
>> R2(config-if)#router ospf 1
>> R2(config-router)#neighbor 150.50.255.4
>> R2(config-router)#neighbor 150.50.255.5
>> R2(config-router)#neighbor 150.50.255.6
>> R2(config-router)#do sh ip ospf neigh
>> 
>> Neighbor ID     Pri   State           Dead Time   Address         Interface
>> N/A               0   ATTEMPT/DROTHER 00:01:47    150.50.255.4    Serial0/1/0
>> N/A               0   ATTEMPT/DROTHER 00:01:48    150.50.255.5    Serial0/1/0
>> N/A               0   ATTEMPT/DROTHER 00:01:50    150.50.255.6    Serial0/1/0
>> R2(config-router)#
>> Jul 22 11:41:25.194: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr 150.50.4.4 on 
>> Serial0/1/0 from LOADING to FULL, Loading Done
>> Jul 22 11:41:25.290: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr 150.50.5.5 on 
>> Serial0/1/0 from LOADING to FULL, Loading Done
>> Jul 22 11:41:25.290: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr 150.50.6.6 on 
>> Serial0/1/0 from LOADING to FULL, Loading Done
>> 
>> Ok. Now i remove the adjacencies.
>> 
>> R2(config-router)#no neighbor 150.50.255.4
>> R2(config-router)#no neighbor 150.50.255.5
>> R2(config-router)#no neighbor 150.50.255.5
>> Jul 22 11:41:44.274: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr 150.50.4.4 on 
>> Serial0/1/0 from FULL to DOWN, Neighbor Down: Neighbor deconfigured
>> R2(config-router)#no neighbor 150.50.255.6
>> R2(config-router)#
>> Jul 22 11:41:45.614: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr 150.50.5.5 on 
>> Serial0/1/0 from FULL to DOWN, Neighbor Down: Neighbor deconfigured
>> R2(config-router)#
>> Jul 22 11:41:46.922: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr 150.50.6.6 on 
>> Serial0/1/0 from FULL to DOWN, Neighbor Down: Neighbor deconfigured
>> 
>> R2(config-router)#do sh ip ospf neigh
>> 
>> No more neighbors. Great.
>> 
>> R2(config-router)#do sh ip ospf neigh
>> Jul 22 11:41:58.706: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr 150.50.5.5 on 
>> Serial0/1/0 from LOADING to FULL, Loading Done
>> Jul 22 11:41:58.786: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr 150.50.4.4 on 
>> Serial0/1/0 from LOADING to FULL, Loading Done
>> R2(config-router)#do sh ip ospf neigh
>> 
>> Neighbor ID     Pri   State           Dead Time   Address         Interface
>> 150.50.4.4        1   FULL/DROTHER    00:01:58    150.50.255.4    Serial0/1/0
>> 150.50.5.5        1   FULL/DR         00:01:58    150.50.255.5    Serial0/1/0
>> R2(config-router)#do sh ip ospf neigh
>> 
>> Neighbor ID     Pri   State           Dead Time   Address         Interface
>> 150.50.4.4        1   FULL/DROTHER    00:01:58    150.50.255.4    Serial0/1/0
>> 150.50.5.5        1   FULL/DR         00:01:58    150.50.255.5    Serial0/1/0
>> R2(config-router)#
>> Jul 22 11:42:04.322: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr 150.50.6.6 on 
>> Serial0/1/0 from LOADING to FULL, Loading Done
>> R2(config-router)#do sh ip ospf neigh
>> 
>> Neighbor ID     Pri   State           Dead Time   Address         Interface
>> 150.50.4.4        1   FULL/DROTHER    00:01:58    150.50.255.4    Serial0/1/0
>> 150.50.5.5        1   FULL/DROTHER    00:01:58    150.50.255.5    Serial0/1/0
>> 150.50.6.6        1   FULL/DR         00:01:57    150.50.255.6    Serial0/1/0
>> 
>> What? They are back again. Let me clear the OSPF process.
>> R2(config-router)#do clear ip ospf proc
>> Reset ALL OSPF processes? [no]: y
>> R2(config-router)#
>> Jul 22 11:42:16.086: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr 150.50.4.4 on 
>> Serial0/1/0 from FULL to DOWN, Neighbor Down: Interface down or detached
>> Jul 22 11:42:16.086: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr 150.50.5.5 on 
>> Serial0/1/0 from FULL to DOWN, Neighbor Down: Interface down or detached
>> Jul 22 11:42:16.086: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr 150.50.6.6 on 
>> Serial0/1/0 from FULL to DOWN, Neighbor Down: Interface down or detached
>> R2(config-router)#do sh ip ospf neigh
>> 
>> Neighbor ID     Pri   State           Dead Time   Address         Interface
>> 150.50.4.4        1   2WAY/DROTHER    00:01:31    150.50.255.4    Serial0/1/0
>> 150.50.5.5        1   2WAY/DROTHER    00:01:33    150.50.255.5    Serial0/1/0
>> 150.50.6.6        1   2WAY/DROTHER    00:01:38    150.50.255.6    Serial0/1/0
>> R2(config-router)#
>> 
>> And back they are again. I did this twice.
>> Jul 22 11:44:16.106: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr 150.50.4.4 on 
>> Serial0/1/0 from LOADING to FULL, Loading Done
>> Jul 22 11:44:16.146: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr 150.50.5.5 on 
>> Serial0/1/0 from LOADING to FULL, Loading Done
>> Jul 22 11:44:16.178: %OSPF-5-ADJCHG: Process 1, Nbr 150.50.6.6 on 
>> Serial0/1/0 from LOADING to FULL, Loading Done
>> R2(config-router)#do clear ip ospf proc
>> Reset ALL OSPF processes? [no]: y
>> <snip>
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