Hi,

  For the most part you are right.

  However, an important piece of the puzzle is the fact that shaping
queues are not the same as your regular software queues.

  If shaping is in effect (ie, the current packet needs to wait in
line), it gets put into one of your defined _shaping_ queues. From the
shaping queue(s) packets are then released to the software queues and
finally to your TX ring.

Kim

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Keller Giacomarro <[email protected]> wrote:
> I am trying to wrap my head around how QoS queueing actually functions.  If
> you're able, please confirm or debunk my understanding!
>
> Your 'normal' QoS setup involves a CBWFQ policy-map applied outbound on a
> WAN interface.  As the tx_ring fills up, packets are queued into the CBWFQ
> policy-map queues (one per class-map), and are dequeued as normal.  The
> tx_ring filling up is the trigger for filling queues.  Okay, simple so far.
>
> The complication comes when you have an interface with a rate limit higher
> than your CIR (like a home Internet connection via 100Mbps ethernet with a
> CIR of 512Kbps).  If CBWFQ is applied directly to the interface, even if
> the bandwidth is set, the tx_ring clears faster than the WAN circuit will
> take the data, and the software queues are bypassed entirely.  In this
> situation, applying a CBWFQ policy-map directly to the interface, even
> setting the bandwidth command, does absolutely nothing.
>
> Here's where I get fuzzier.  The solution to this is to put something else
> between the CBWFQ policy-map and the tx_ring: a shaper via nested policy
> maps.  The shaper is configured to the correct CIR.  As the shaper sees
> that the interface is transmitting too fast, it begins to fill up the CBWFQ
> policy-map queues instead of transmitting.  In this way, the physical
> interface is faster than the CIR but we still create the necessary
> 'backpressure' to fill up the software queues.
>
> Two things muck with my understanding:
> In https://supportforums.cisco.com/thread/2132501 , a Cisco employee says
> that the shaper uses WFQ (or HQF in the newest releases) to de-queue the
> CBWFQ queues.  Why is the shaper implementing any dequeueing strategy at
> all?  Shouldn't the CBWFQ policy-map be handling that (such as policy
> queues going first, etc)?  And how can it possibly do that without full
> flow information?
>
> The other issue is that the show commands on my router support my
> understanding...almost.  If I'm moving a lot of ssh data upstream (via
> scp), I can see the shaper queue fill and the CBWFQ queue fill, makes
> sense.     Most of the time their values are the same.  However, they do
> on occasion differ by a number or two.  Show command artifact, or an
> indication that I have no idea what I'm talking about?
>
> gateway#show policy-map int f0/1
>  FastEthernet0/1
>
>   Service-policy output: pm-wan-out-shaper
>
>     Class-map: class-default (match-any)
>       600317 packets, 143960388 bytes
>       30 second offered rate 631000 bps, drop rate 14000 bps
>       Match: any
>       Traffic Shaping
>            Target/Average   Byte   Sustain   Excess    Interval  Increment
>              Rate           Limit  bits/int  bits/int  (ms)      (bytes)
>            600000/600000    937    3750      3750      6         468
>
>         Adapt  *Queue*     Packets   Bytes     Packets   Bytes     Shaping
>         Active *Depth*                         Delayed   Delayed   Active
>         -      *3*         598394    141284492 90698     94225802  yes
>
>         Class-map: cm-ssh (match-all)
>           70238 packets, 105192011 bytes
>           30 second offered rate 621000 bps, drop rate 14000 bps
>           Match: protocol ssh
>           Queueing
>             Output Queue: Conversation 74
>             Bandwidth 5 (%)
>             Bandwidth 30 (kbps)
>             (pkts matched/bytes matched) 62464/93671468
>         *(depth/total drops/no-buffer drops) 2*/1816/3
>              exponential weight: 9
>              mean queue depth: 1
>
> Appreciate your input -- hopefully this helps someone else too, as none of
> the standard study resources I've read have adequately explained how this
> works!
>
> Keller Giacomarro
> [email protected]
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