Hi, Whats the big deal, this is the new thing started in RS and as we all known cciXcXrt has started giving open ended questions, starting people has struggled then they started passing the lab, the same thing will be happen with voice 2, I dont think it is so difficult task. Regards Chang.
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Michael Ciarfello <[email protected]> wrote: From: Michael Ciarfello <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] 4 open ended questions in CCIE VOICE To: "Aamir Panjwani" <[email protected]>, "Mark Snow" <[email protected]> Cc: "OSL Group" <[email protected]>, "Vik Malhi" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, 17 June, 2009, 5:32 AM _filtered #yiv1282567236 { font-family:Calibri;} _filtered #yiv1282567236 { font-family:Tahoma;} _filtered #yiv1282567236 { font-family:Consolas;} _filtered #yiv1282567236 {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;} #yiv1282567236 P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE:12pt;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman", "serif";} #yiv1282567236 LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE:12pt;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman", "serif";} #yiv1282567236 DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE:12pt;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman", "serif";} #yiv1282567236 A:link { COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv1282567236 SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv1282567236 A:visited { COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv1282567236 SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv1282567236 P.MsoPlainText { FONT-SIZE:10.5pt;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:Consolas;} #yiv1282567236 LI.MsoPlainText { FONT-SIZE:10.5pt;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:Consolas;} #yiv1282567236 DIV.MsoPlainText { FONT-SIZE:10.5pt;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:Consolas;} #yiv1282567236 P { FONT-SIZE:12pt;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman", "serif";} #yiv1282567236 SPAN.apple-style-span { } #yiv1282567236 SPAN.apple-converted-space { } #yiv1282567236 SPAN.EmailStyle20 { COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri", "sans-serif";} #yiv1282567236 SPAN.PlainTextChar { FONT-FAMILY:Consolas;} #yiv1282567236 .MsoChpDefault { FONT-SIZE:10pt;} #yiv1282567236 DIV.Section1 { } #yiv1282567236 P { MARGIN-TOP:0px;MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;} I read through that blog. Seems like it's working (except the database issues where the answers disappeared.) Stinks you can still sit through the exam. Probably a time and grading issue. That doesn't stop the brain dump people from getting paid to go in, sit and memorize as much as possible. Oh well. But at the 30,000 ft level, it seems to be working. Of course, you will get the complainers. Good stuff though. From: Aamir Panjwani [[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 1:16 AM To: Michael Ciarfello; Mark Snow Cc: OSL Group; Vik Malhi Subject: RE: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] 4 open ended questions in CCIE VOICE No that is not the case, you won’t know until the proctor has graded your lab whether you have passed core knowledge section. You must pass both sections that is lab and open ended question in order to certify. Lot of people have had bad experience see below link for details. http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2009/01/14/ccie-rs-lab-sample-oral-exam-questions/ See below response some student received from Cisco: Dear , As the manager for CCIE Operations, your case was forwarded to me. I would like to help you understanding how the scoring works on the Short Answer Section. First, you must pass both sections of the exam in order to certify. On this particular section, you must score a minimum number of questions correctly in order to receive any marks. However, it is possible to have one incorrect answer and still pass. Therefore, you do not have to have all questions answered correctly, but, it is a requirement that you have most of them answered correctly. If you do not get the minimum number of questions correct, you will receive a 0 for this section. If you do get them correct, you get a 100%, therefore, you are not given points on individual questions.. There are only two scores you can receive a 0% or a 100%. With regard to the one XYZ question - if you have a complaint regarding one of questions, I would open a case that is relevant to the Short Answer Question “Content” so that you can discuss express your concerns about this item with the team who does the actual test question development. With regard to what questions you got marked incorrectly, we do not provide that type of feedback on this section. Therefore, I cannot tell you which questions were marked incorrectly. To do so would violate our Confidentiality agreement. I cannot provide you with an answer to with regard to this concern. I hope that I have clarified things for you. And I do wish you the best of success on your next exam attempt. From: Michael Ciarfello [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2009 3:02 PM To: Mark Snow; Aamir Panjwani Cc: OSL Group; Vik Malhi Subject: RE: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] 4 open ended questions in CCIE VOICE If you don't pass the open-ended questions, do they send you home without seeing the rest of the exam? (preferred) The discussion on Netpro wasn't clear what happens. People were saying must get 3/4 or something. From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark Snow [[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:45 PM To: Aamir Panjwani Cc: OSL Group; Vik Malhi Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] 4 open ended questions in CCIE VOICE If this is anything like the RS exam (and I would imagine it is), then it will be need to be completed in the first 30 minutes - there will be no ability to go back after the 30 minutes has elapsed. Also if you complete the questions earlier than 30 minutes - they you are allowed to continue on with your lab. Also no CCO Documentation will be available during the Core Knowledge time period. It will be available once you have moved onto your actual configuration/troubleshooting exam. This is to weed out people from passing that cheat, like "Mark Rocky" and "John Smith" ;-) Also, in order to keep people from simply memorizing a bank of cheat questions like TK and others provide, the questions get changed/added-to on a very regular basis. Shouldn't be a problem though for anyone who has legitimately passed their written exam. IPexpert has a Flash-Based Core Simulation engine already developed that we distribute for free for all RS clients. Over the next week we will be devising a number of questions to augment the content we have for RS and distribute a Voice-Only edition of this simulation engine. Cheers, -- Mark Snow CCIE #14073 (Voice, Security) Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc. Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 Fax: +1.309.413.4097 Mailto: [email protected] -- Join our free online support and peer group communities: http://www.IPexpert.com/communities -- IPexpert - The Global Leader in Self-Study, Classroom-Based, Video-On-Demand and Audio Certification Training Tools for the Cisco CCIE R&S Lab, CCIE Security Lab, CCIE Service Provider Lab , CCIE Voice Lab and CCIE Storage Lab Certifications. -- On Jun 16, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Aamir Panjwani wrote: Very interesting...few questions though 1) This task will need to be completed in the first 30 minutes of the exam or can it be done anytime? 2) Let say if we finish this section in 10 minutes can we move on to other stuff and do we need to wait for 30 minutes? 3) Would we get access to CCO documentation during this allocated 30 minutes? Thanks From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] on Behalf Of Vik Malhi Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2009 8:43 AM To: OSL Group Subject: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] 4 open ended questions in CCIE VOICE CCIE Voice Lab Exam Adding Short Answer Questions: Also effective July 16, 2009, the Cisco CCIE Voice Lab Exam will feature a new type of question format in a section called Core Knowledge. In this new section, candidates will be asked a series of four open-ended questions that require a short, typewritten response (typically several words). The questions will be randomly drawn from a pool of questions on topics currently eligible for testing on the CCIE Voice Lab Exam. No new topics are being added. Candidates will have up to 30 minutes to complete the Core Knowledge section of the exam, and may not return to the questions later. First introduced to the CCIE Routing and Switching lab exam in February 2009, Core Knowledge questions will eventually be added to all CCIE tracks. The changes allow Cisco to maintain strong exam security, and they help ensure that only qualified candidates are awarded CCIE certification. https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/community/certifications/ccie_voice/lab_exam -- Vik Malhi – CCIE #13890, CCSI #31584 Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc. Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 Fax: +1.810.454.0130 Mailto: [email protected] Join our free online support and peer group communities: http://www.IPexpert.com/communities IPexpert - The Global Leader in Self-Study, Classroom-Based, Video-On-Demand and Audio Certification Training Tools for the Cisco CCIE R&S Lab, CCIE Security Lab, CCIE Service Provider Lab , CCIE Voice Lab and CCIE Storage Lab Certifications. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. 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