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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Cowtan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 21 October 2005 14:16
> To: Ian Tickle; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb]: Phase columns in SigmaA & Refmac.
> 
> csigmaa (the clipper util) does it too.
> 
> The reason is that when you are outputting map coefficients, the 
> convention is that when a coefficient calculated with 
> difference terms 
> (2mFo-DFc), (mFo-DFc) goes negative, you invert the phase instead of 
> giving a negative coefficient. So the phases, while usually the same, 
> are occasionally different. (You could argue that this is a dumb 
> convention).

Yes, there's usually some rationale behind conventions, but in this case
I can't see what it could be: it has no upside and it has a big downside
of allowing the possibility of disastrous mistakes.  Negative numbers
work just as well as positive ones in polar co-ords!

> 
> In the csigmaa case, there is an additional reason: it outputs column 
> groups instead of columns. You can't output a map coefficient 
> without a 
> phase, or share a phase between several groups.

That objection would be answered by my suggestion of outputting 3 phase
columns with different labels but identical phase values, since there
are several reasons why we can't simply delete 2 of the phase columns.

-- Ian

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