OK, I'm properly chastised - "outlier" does not equal "bad".

However, residues which are not flagged as problematic or unusual during validation should not be flagged in the final pdb file.

And I have read Gerard's paper, and the molprobity paper.  Recently.

Sue

On Sep 21, 2007, at 9:57 AM, Gerard DVD Kleywegt wrote:

Has anyone successfully fought this "bad residue" listing? I understand that the pdb wishes to flag problem regions, but this is not a valid way of doing so. I can tell them where the problem regions are in the structure if they wish.

oh dear, oh dear - touchy, touchy!

coordinate-based validation (no matter which test, no matter which program) can only produce a list of OUTLIERS. it's up to the depositor or user of the model to figure out whether each individual outlier is an ERROR in the MODEL or a (unusual and possibly interesting) FEATURE of the STRUCTURE (typically by inspection of the density). there's no need to take the output of such programs as a personal insult, or to start a fight with the pdb, or ... [rest of diatribe mercifully deleted before hitting the send-button]

warmly recommended review paper (really, i sometimes wonder what the half-life of papers on quality control and validation, and more generally on methods, is): http://xray.bmc.uu.se/cgi-bin/gerard/ reprint_mailer.pl?pref=56

warmly recommended tutorial (have a look at question 13 in particular): http://xray.bmc.uu.se/gerard/embo2001/modval/index.html

--dvd

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