Apologies, I think I neglected to attach the wilson plots...I'll do so on Friday.

best,
Iain

Iain Kerr wrote:
Dear all,

I find myself posed with a rather interesting if somewhat confusing problem.

Two crystals grown from the same conditions, let's call them A and B..

A:

Resolution             2.1A
Spacegroup            P4?
Rmerge            0.137 (0.324)
Mean((I)/sd(I))   41.0  (17.8)
Completeness     100   (100)
Multiplicity        53.6  (56.3)

4/mmm is clear from indexing...systematic absences show a clear 4 fold screw-axis..Pointless gives the most likely as P4_1 22 (I'm not clear on how it distinguishes P4_1 22 and P4_3 22..)

Molecular replacement in Phaser, checking all the possible spacegroups, gives two outstanding solutions

LLG Z-score
P4_3 22         1972           41 (1mol/asu)
P4_3              3801           54 (2mols/asu, ASU too full warning !)

Solutions in other spacegroups had negative LLGs and/or were rejected for poor packing...the P1 solutions have LLGs of around -22000

I rebuilt both solutions in ARP/wARP both giving Rfree ~32% and Rfac ~23%...rebuilding (most residues accounted for), adding ligands and water makes no difference.

Different iterations of refinement/rebuilding eg. cutting resolution make no difference...the maps are really well defined and packing is very reasonable with no clashes in either spacegroup.

B:

Resolution             2.3A
Spacegroup          C222?
Rmerge            0.187 (0.402)
Mean((I)/sd(I))   11.8  (4.8)
Completeness     99.4 (98.8)
Multiplicity         6.8  (6.6)

Mosflm:

11 144     mC   255.61    64.32    63.97    90.0  90.3  76.1   C2
10 7 oC 90.69 90.74 124.09 90.3 90.7 89.7 C222,C2221 9 7 tP 63.97 64.32 124.09 90.7 90.3 90.0 P4,P41,P42,P43,P422,P4212,P4122,P41212,P4222,P42212,P4322,P43212 8 5 oP 63.97 64.32 124.09 90.7 90.3 90.0 P222,P2221,P21212,P212121
   7   5      mP    63.97   124.09    64.32    90.7  90.0  90.3   P2,P21
   6   4      mC    90.69    90.74   124.09    89.7  90.7  90.3  C2
   5   4      mC    90.69    90.74   124.09    90.3  90.7  89.7  C2
   4   3      mP    64.32    63.97   124.09    90.3  90.7  90.0   P2,P21
   3   1      mP    64.32    63.97   124.09    90.3  90.7  90.0   P2,P21
   2   0       aP    63.97    64.32   124.09    89.3  89.7  90.0   P1
   1   0       aP    63.97    64.32   124.09    90.7  90.3  90.0   P1

This suggests pseudo-merohedral twinning to me...in C222/C222_1 ...a and b are almost equivalent, so the 4/mmm symmetry would be apparent ?

The Rmerge in 422 (19.6%) is only slightly higher than C222/C222_1 ....systematic absences again suggest a 4 fold...the curves calculated from the cumulative intensity distribution suggest partial twinning (when inputting C222_1 into the 'old' server to calculate a twin fraction from the partial twin test it says there are no twin laws for that spacegroup...)
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The outstanding solutions in Phaser this time are:

                   LLG                 Z-score
P4_3 22         1317            35 (1mol/asu)
C222_1         2237            46 (2mols/asu, ASU too full warning !)

Rigid body refinement of the solutions give (C222_1 ) Rfree 43%, Rfac 42% and ( P4_3 22 ) Rfree 44%, Rfac 43%....I'm thinking this is high and the maps from Phaser although fitting the placed molecules have poor connectivity (high Rmerge anything to do with this ?)

Going back to crystal A it turns out the same C222/C222_1 is found but lower down in the list amongst the other solutions...

I have attached the Wilson plots for both crystals...A has a large spike at high resolution (which is why I cut the data to 2.4A to try and improve refinement, to no avail) and B looks horrid !

OK, I think that is all the information I have at the moment...have I completely missed the correct symmetry..the Rmerge does seem high..

I have not yet tried to detwin the data (if it truly is twinned) and perhaps that is impeding refinement ??

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Iain
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