Hi Clemens,

Refmac 5.5.0072 defaults to automatically adding waters to existing
TLS groups without telling you the TLS definition in the TLS header
or the log file.  So you are looking at residual B's.  You cannot
convert these to full TLS+residual B's using tlsanl since the details
of which waters belong to which TLS groups is not output to the PDB header,
TLSOUT or the log file.  Thus when you run TLSANL you end up with a file
with mixed B-factors. You now have full TLS+residual B factors for the
residues listed in you TLS definitions (A544-A602, A603-A618 and B55-B70)
and you have residual B-factors on your waters (since tlsanl does not know
that the waters were included in the TLS groups).  To exclude the waters
from the automatic TLS assignment add the keywords
TLSD WATERS EXCLUDE
to your refinement input file.  I seem to recall that with refmac5.5.0072
the program stops reading the input file after this keyword so, you need
to include it as the last line in your input file or use the current
refmac 5.5 version from Garib's site.
http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/~garib/refmac/latest_refmac.html

If you want to keep the waters with automatic TLS assignment, then you can
re-run the refinement job with the added keywords
TLSO ADDU
which will output the full TLS+residual B-factors. It will still not
detail which waters were assigned to which TLS groups so your PDB TLS
remarks will be incomplete, but it will convert them to full TLS+residual
B's needed for PDB deposition. (Note that you should not use this full
B-factor file for further refinement in refmac as it expects an input
PDB file with residual B's).

Regards,
Mitch

P.S. I recommend that you copy the details about the type of B-factors from
the TLS details section of the header to the REMARK 3 OTHER REFINEMENT REMARKS
section otherwise they will be lost during deposition as the PDB does
not retain the comments in the TLS section.  I also detail whether or not
the waters were included / excluded from automatic TLS groups assignment.
E.g. I typically include something like --
REMARK   3  OTHER REFINEMENT REMARKS:
REMARK   3  ATOM RECORD CONTAINS SUM OF TLS AND RESIDUAL B FACTORS.
REMARK   3  ANISOU RECORD CONTAINS SUM OF TLS AND RESIDUAL U FACTORS.
REMARK   3  WATERS WERE EXCLUDED FROM AUTOMATIC TLS ASSIGNMENT.



-----Original Message-----
From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Clemens 
Grimm
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:09 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] Ultra-low water B-facors after TLS refinement

Dear all,

I have refined a 2.5 A structure (P212121, a=29, b=56, c=58) with
Refmac/TLS to an R/Rfree of 20.9/23.7. Everything seems to run
smoothly, maps look nice. Total B-facors for protein (residual+TLS)
after TLSANL are in the 25 to 50 A^2 range.
However, water B-factors are refined to unreasonably low values, many
hitting bottom at 2.0 A^2.

A refmac refinement without TLS easily fixes the water B-factors to
reasonable values, but gives 2-3% higher R-factors. (I have attached
the relavant parts of the PDB file from TLSANL)

Thanks for your help.
Clemens

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HEADER                                        ----XX-XXX-XX   xxxx
COMPND    --REMARK   3
REMARK   3
REMARK   3 REFINEMENT.
REMARK   3   PROGRAM     : REFMAC 5.5.0072
REMARK   3   AUTHORS     : MURSHUDOV,VAGIN,DODSON
REMARK   3
REMARK   3    REFINEMENT TARGET : MAXIMUM LIKELIHOOD
REMARK   3
REMARK   3  DATA USED IN REFINEMENT.
REMARK   3   RESOLUTION RANGE HIGH (ANGSTROMS) :   2.44
REMARK   3   RESOLUTION RANGE LOW  (ANGSTROMS) :  20.00
REMARK   3   DATA CUTOFF            (SIGMA(F)) : NONE
REMARK   3   COMPLETENESS FOR RANGE        (%) : 100.00
REMARK   3   NUMBER OF REFLECTIONS             :    3709
REMARK   3
REMARK   3  FIT TO DATA USED IN REFINEMENT.
REMARK   3   CROSS-VALIDATION METHOD          : THROUGHOUT
REMARK   3   FREE R VALUE TEST SET SELECTION  : RANDOM
REMARK   3   R VALUE     (WORKING + TEST SET) : 0.20987
REMARK   3   R VALUE            (WORKING SET) :  0.20853
REMARK   3   FREE R VALUE                     :  0.23739
REMARK   3   FREE R VALUE TEST SET SIZE   (%) :  4.5
REMARK   3   FREE R VALUE TEST SET COUNT      :   176
REMARK   3
REMARK   3  FIT IN THE HIGHEST RESOLUTION BIN.
REMARK   3   TOTAL NUMBER OF BINS USED           :      20
REMARK   3   BIN RESOLUTION RANGE HIGH           :    2.436
REMARK   3   BIN RESOLUTION RANGE LOW            :    2.498
REMARK   3   REFLECTION IN BIN     (WORKING SET) :      257
REMARK   3   BIN COMPLETENESS (WORKING+TEST) (%) :   100.00
REMARK   3   BIN R VALUE           (WORKING SET) :    0.270
REMARK   3   BIN FREE R VALUE SET COUNT          :       12
REMARK   3   BIN FREE R VALUE                    :    0.447
REMARK   3
REMARK   3  NUMBER OF NON-HYDROGEN ATOMS USED IN REFINEMENT.
REMARK   3   ALL ATOMS                :      739
REMARK   3
REMARK   3  B VALUES.
REMARK   3   FROM WILSON PLOT           (A**2) : NULL
REMARK   3   MEAN B VALUE      (OVERALL, A**2) :  31.763
REMARK   3   OVERALL ANISOTROPIC B VALUE.
REMARK   3    B11 (A**2) :    -0.79
REMARK   3    B22 (A**2) :     0.73
REMARK   3    B33 (A**2) :     0.06
REMARK   3    B12 (A**2) :     0.00
REMARK   3    B13 (A**2) :     0.00
REMARK   3    B23 (A**2) :     0.00
REMARK   3
REMARK   3  ESTIMATED OVERALL COORDINATE ERROR.
REMARK   3   ESU BASED ON R VALUE                            (A):   0.511
REMARK   3   ESU BASED ON FREE R VALUE                       (A):   0.262
REMARK   3   ESU BASED ON MAXIMUM LIKELIHOOD                 (A):   0.200
REMARK   3   ESU FOR B VALUES BASED ON MAXIMUM LIKELIHOOD (A**2):  19.990
REMARK   3
REMARK   3 CORRELATION COEFFICIENTS.
REMARK   3   CORRELATION COEFFICIENT FO-FC      :   0.935
REMARK   3   CORRELATION COEFFICIENT FO-FC FREE :   0.909
REMARK   3
REMARK   3  RMS DEVIATIONS FROM IDEAL VALUES        COUNT    RMS    WEIGHT
REMARK   3   BOND LENGTHS REFINED ATOMS        (A):   708 ; 0.007 ; 0.022
REMARK   3   BOND ANGLES REFINED ATOMS   (DEGREES):   961 ; 1.025 ; 1.997
REMARK   3   TORSION ANGLES, PERIOD 1    (DEGREES):    89 ; 4.288 ; 5.000
REMARK   3   TORSION ANGLES, PERIOD 2    (DEGREES):    28 ;27.435 ;26.429
REMARK   3   TORSION ANGLES, PERIOD 3    (DEGREES):   126 ;16.669 ;15.000
REMARK   3   TORSION ANGLES, PERIOD 4    (DEGREES):     2 ;26.600 ;15.000
REMARK   3   CHIRAL-CENTER RESTRAINTS       (A**3):   114 ; 0.063 ; 0.200
REMARK   3   GENERAL PLANES REFINED ATOMS      (A):   515 ; 0.003 ; 0.022
REMARK   3
REMARK   3  ISOTROPIC THERMAL FACTOR RESTRAINTS.     COUNT   RMS    WEIGHT
REMARK   3   MAIN-CHAIN BOND REFINED ATOMS  (A**2):   457 ; 0.230 ; 1.500
REMARK   3   MAIN-CHAIN ANGLE REFINED ATOMS (A**2):   734 ; 0.465 ; 2.000
REMARK   3   SIDE-CHAIN BOND REFINED ATOMS  (A**2):   251 ; 0.796 ; 3.000
REMARK   3   SIDE-CHAIN ANGLE REFINED ATOMS (A**2):   227 ; 1.426 ; 4.500
REMARK   3
REMARK   3  NCS RESTRAINTS STATISTICS
REMARK   3   NUMBER OF NCS GROUPS : NULL
REMARK   3
REMARK   3  TWIN DETAILS
REMARK   3   NUMBER OF TWIN DOMAINS  : NULL
REMARK   3
REMARK   3
REMARK   3  TLS DETAILS
REMARK   3   NUMBER OF TLS GROUPS  :    3
REMARK   3   ATOM RECORD CONTAINS SUM OF TLS AND RESIDUAL B FACTORS
REMARK   3   ANISOU RECORD CONTAINS SUM OF TLS AND RESIDUAL U FACTORS
REMARK   3
REMARK   3   TLS GROUP :     1
REMARK   3    NUMBER OF COMPONENTS GROUP :    1
REMARK   3    COMPONENTS        C SSSEQI   TO  C SSSEQI
REMARK   3    RESIDUE RANGE :   A      544        A      602
REMARK   3    ORIGIN FOR THE GROUP (A):  -1.5600   2.1310  -6.4040
REMARK   3    T TENSOR
REMARK   3      T11:   0.1987 T22:   0.1032
REMARK   3      T33:   0.3334 T12:   0.0148
REMARK   3      T13:   0.0192 T23:   0.0107
REMARK   3    L TENSOR
REMARK   3      L11:   3.0232 L22:   9.5047
REMARK   3      L33:   4.8404 L12:  -1.4527
REMARK   3      L13:  -0.6037 L23:   4.9346
REMARK   3    S TENSOR
REMARK   3      S11:  -0.1419 S12:   0.1446 S13:  -0.3926
REMARK   3      S21:   0.0466 S22:   0.1236 S23:   0.3172
REMARK   3      S31:   0.5765 S32:   0.0337 S33:   0.0183
REMARK   3
REMARK   3   TLS GROUP :     2
REMARK   3    NUMBER OF COMPONENTS GROUP :    1
REMARK   3    COMPONENTS        C SSSEQI   TO  C SSSEQI
REMARK   3    RESIDUE RANGE :   A      603        A      618
REMARK   3    ORIGIN FOR THE GROUP (A):  -1.8300  16.9090 -10.8800
REMARK   3    T TENSOR
REMARK   3      T11:   0.3257 T22:   0.1237
REMARK   3      T33:   0.5111 T12:   0.0425
REMARK   3      T13:   0.1163 T23:   0.0512
REMARK   3    L TENSOR
REMARK   3      L11:   1.6795 L22:   8.6130
REMARK   3      L33:  12.8859 L12:  -2.8217
REMARK   3      L13:   2.6868 L23:  -6.1187
REMARK   3    S TENSOR
REMARK   3      S11:   0.3353 S12:   0.0667 S13:   0.6777
REMARK   3      S21:  -1.1822 S22:  -0.2639 S23:  -0.3889
REMARK   3      S31:  -0.1764 S32:  -0.3374 S33:  -0.0715
REMARK   3
REMARK   3   TLS GROUP :     3
REMARK   3    NUMBER OF COMPONENTS GROUP :    1
REMARK   3    COMPONENTS        C SSSEQI   TO  C SSSEQI
REMARK   3    RESIDUE RANGE :   B       55        B       70
REMARK   3    ORIGIN FOR THE GROUP (A): -14.5620   8.6240  -5.7360
REMARK   3    T TENSOR
REMARK   3      T11:   0.1819 T22:   0.1925
REMARK   3      T33:   0.3593 T12:   0.0608
REMARK   3      T13:  -0.1222 T23:  -0.0613
REMARK   3    L TENSOR
REMARK   3      L11:  17.1809 L22:   8.0907
REMARK   3      L33:  11.5783 L12:   4.7167
REMARK   3      L13:  -8.6740 L23:  -5.2009
REMARK   3    S TENSOR
REMARK   3      S11:  -0.3434 S12:   0.1788 S13:  -0.1980
REMARK   3      S21:  -0.5824 S22:   0.2303 S23:   0.3357
REMARK   3      S31:   0.1582 S32:  -1.1131 S33:   0.1131
REMARK   3
REMARK   3
REMARK   3  BULK SOLVENT MODELLING.
REMARK   3   METHOD USED :  MASK
REMARK   3   PARAMETERS FOR MASK CALCULATION
REMARK   3   VDW PROBE RADIUS   :   1.40
REMARK   3   ION PROBE RADIUS   :   0.80
REMARK   3   SHRINKAGE RADIUS   :   0.80
REMARK   3
REMARK   3  OTHER REFINEMENT REMARKS:
REMARK   3  HYDROGENS HAVE BEEN ADDED IN THE RIDING POSITIONS
REMARK   3  U VALUES      : RESIDUAL ONLY
REMARK   3
CRYST1   29.110   56.860   58.030  90.00  90.00  90.00 P 21 21 21
SCALE1      0.034352  0.000000  0.000000        0.00000
SCALE2      0.000000  0.017587  0.000000        0.00000
SCALE3      0.000000  0.000000  0.017232        0.00000
ATOM      1  N   PRO A 544       4.309  -5.412   0.830  1.00 48.24           N
ANISOU    1  N   PRO A 544     8944   3209   6175      0      0      0       N
ATOM      2  CA  PRO A 544       5.330  -5.406  -0.215  1.00 47.23           C
ANISOU    2  CA  PRO A 544     8267   3324   6355      0      0      0       C
ATOM      3  CB  PRO A 544       6.497  -6.154   0.445  1.00 51.83           C
ANISOU    3  CB  PRO A 544     9168   3699   6824      0      0      0       C
ATOM      4  CG  PRO A 544       5.844  -7.034   1.542  1.00 55.52           C
ANISOU    4  CG  PRO A 544    10558   3665   6872      0      0      0       C
ATOM      5  CD  PRO A 544       4.395  -6.616   1.678  1.00 53.15           C
ANISOU    5  CD  PRO A 544    10367   3339   6487      0      0      0       C
ATOM      6  C   PRO A 544       4.854  -6.130  -1.486  1.00 45.86           C
ANISOU    6  C   PRO A 544     7943   3090   6392      0      0      0       C
ATOM      7  O   PRO A 544       5.152  -7.314  -1.678  1.00 48.59           O
ANISOU    7  O   PRO A 544     8563   3153   6744      0      0      0       O
ATOM      8  N   LEU A 545       4.115  -5.416  -2.337  1.00 41.94           N
ANISOU    8  N   LEU A 545     7046   2838   6050      0      0      0       N
ATOM      9  CA  LEU A 545       3.521  -5.995  -3.551  1.00 40.40           C
ANISOU    9  CA  LEU A 545     6722   2604   6023      0      0      0       C
ATOM     10  CB  LEU A 545       2.454  -5.062  -4.131  1.00 37.30           C
ANISOU   10  CB  LEU A 545     6025   2433   5713      0      0      0       C
ATOM     11  CG  LEU A 545       0.971  -5.409  -4.033  1.00 37.29           C
ANISOU   11  CG  LEU A 545     6198   2227   5744      0      0      0       C
ATOM     12  CD1 LEU A 545       0.169  -4.308  -4.687  1.00 34.32           C
ANISOU   12  CD1 LEU A 545     5425   2133   5480      0      0      0       C
ATOM     13  CD2 LEU A 545       0.674  -6.739  -4.700  1.00 39.63           C
ANISOU   13  CD2 LEU A 545     6657   2245   6155      0      0      0       C
ATOM     14  C   LEU A 545       4.532  -6.296  -4.647  1.00 40.30           C
ANISOU   14  C   LEU A 545     6394   2731   6189      0      0      0       C
ATOM     15  O   LEU A 545       5.296  -5.415  -5.049  1.00 39.28           O
ANISOU   15  O   LEU A 545     5851   2912   6160      0      0      0       O

[.............................................................................]

ATOM    721  O   HOH Z  26       4.331  15.110   2.443  1.00  2.00           O
ATOM    722  O   HOH Z  27       1.264  -6.899 -12.249  1.00  2.00           O
ATOM    723  O   HOH Z  28     -16.512   7.213  -5.802  1.00  2.00           O
ATOM    724  O   HOH Z  29      10.966   0.572  -2.021  1.00  2.00           O
ATOM    725  O   HOH Z  30      -1.212  -6.621 -13.323  1.00 14.85           O
ATOM    726  O   HOH Z  31      -3.187  -8.577 -15.238  1.00  2.00           O
ATOM    727  O   HOH Z  32       1.541  19.977  -9.823  1.00  2.00           O
ATOM    728  O   HOH Z  33     -18.041   1.731   2.138  1.00  2.00           O
ATOM    729  O   HOH Z  34     -15.674  13.690 -10.888  1.00 10.07           O
ATOM    730  O   HOH Z  35      -6.429   9.025 -15.088  1.00  2.00           O
ATOM    731  OW0 HOH Z  36      -8.068  11.911   2.520  1.00  2.00           O
ATOM    732  OW0 HOH Z  37      -8.131  21.050   1.317  1.00  2.94           O
ATOM    733  OW0 HOH Z  38       7.360 -10.570  -9.323  1.00  2.00           O
ATOM    734  OW0 HOH Z  39      -3.377 -10.981 -14.550  1.00  2.00           O
ATOM    735  OW0 HOH Z  40     -10.173  19.052  -0.857  1.00 13.04           O
ATOM    736  OW0 HOH Z  41     -12.070   1.106  -0.308  1.00  2.00           O
ATOM    737  OW0 HOH Z  42     -13.008  21.323  -8.964  1.00  2.00           O
ATOM    738  OW0 HOH Z  43       2.014  -2.216 -18.360  1.00 23.56           O
ATOM    739  OW0 HOH Z  45      -9.727  -3.842  -8.213  1.00  7.42           O
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Dr. Clemens Grimm
Institut für Biochemie
Biozentrum der Universität Würzburg
Am Hubland
D-97074 Würzburg
Germany
e-mail: clemens.gr...@biozentrum.uni-wuerzburg.de
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