> what if the reviewer has no clue of these things we call structures ? I think 
> for those people table 1 might still provide some justification.

Someone who knows little about structures probably won’t appreciate the 
technical details in Table 1 either ....

J rgen 

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On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:58, "Bernhard Rupp" <hofkristall...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> We don't currently have a really good measure of that point where 
>> adding
> the extra shell of data adds "significant" information
>> so it probably isn't something to agonise over too much. K & D's 
>> paired
> refinement may be useful though.
> 
> That seems to be a correct assessment of the situation and a forceful 
> argument to eliminate the review nonsense of nitpicking on <I/sigI> 
> values, associated R-merges, and other pseudo-statistics once and for 
> good. We can now, thanks to data deposition, at any time generate or 
> download the maps and the models and judge for ourselves even minute 
> details of local model quality from there.
> As far as use and interpretation goes, when the model meets the map is 
> where the rubber meets the road.
> I therefore make the heretic statement that the entire table 1 of data 
> collection statistics, justifiable in pre-deposition times as some 
> means to guess structure quality can go the way of X-ray film and be 
> almost always eliminated from papers.
> There is nothing really useful in Table 1, and all its data items and 
> more are in the PDB header anyhow.
> Availability of maps for review and for users is the key point.
> 
> Cheers, BR

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