Every now and then I pipe on this as well. We have Zalman monitors here - I bought them about 4 years ago - when you could not buy them any more in the states. I just bought them on Ebay - they came new in the box directly from China. The person did fed-ex shipping - did not cost any extra, and at the time it was a very cheap way to get these models that were not available in the US. I don’t know if they still sell this way or not - but for me it worked great.
The monitors still work, and I agree with Zhijie, the 2D applications look perfect on them. Maybe it’s because I was so used to old, dim, CRT displays. In any event - they are great monitors for normal work, and it’s nice on occasion to use 3D with them. The 3D is OK - not perfect - but I don’t think any are as good as old CRT displays. The 3D does show what you need. What I really do find with modeling (myself included) is the following: I came from a situation where I used 3D exclusively (SGI’s, CRT’s, blah blah blah). Going to the newer, brighter, faster LCD displays means that 3D isn’t as important to me anymore, and I find that I typically use 2D almost exclusively. Occasionally I do 3D, and when I do, the Zalman is fine for that. Hope that helps Dave On Mar 6, 2014, at 7:50 AM, Zhijie Li <zhijie...@utoronto.ca> wrote: > I beg to differ on this: > "Also, passive screens have a pol-filter in place, the fine lines of which > you will observe on a white background, the more disturbing the closer the > viewing distance to the screen is. So, for general office applications > (writing text), the screens are less useful. " > > Our LG D2342P has no issue with office work. I never noticed any thin lines > on the screen. In fact I think its 2D display is excellent. I wonder if the > issue you have is related to the screen size: the pixels of 27 in screens are > bigger than our 22 in screens. > > Zhijie > > From: mesters > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:55 AM > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Stereo monitors for use with Pymol and Coot > > Hi, > > this is probaly due to the transition from old TFT style to new IPS panel > based monitors... Several new passive 3d monitors are hitting the market such > as AOC d2769Vh and the Philips Gioco 278G4. Both are based on 27" IPS Monitor > panels. > > A list of possible monitors can be found at Tridef (many are old but new > models are listed), https://www.tridef.com/products/pc-licensed-products. > > Problem with passive stereo is, you will half the resolution in the vertical > direction. It is a problem if you are looking at wire-models of structures in > pymol and especially fine-wire electron density mesh and models in coot as > those noticably loose resolution compared to active stereo screens. Also, > passive screens have a pol-filter in place, the fine lines of which you will > observe on a white background, the more disturbing the closer the viewing > distance to the screen is. So, for general office applications (writing > text), the screens are less useful. This is not to big a problem for viewing > full screen pictures, games and movies (increased distance to the screen...). > > Moreover, with passive monitors, as the stereo effect increases with the > screen size, the picture looks more "pixeled" compared to active stereo > screens. I personally own a AOC d2769Vh and for 3D movies it is great, for > coot not that useful if you plan longer sessions. At work, we operate an ASUS > VG278HR (active stereo and build in emitter for glasses). Many hardware > testers consider this screen the best one available on the market. > > If you mainly need it for coot, I recommend to change your priorities and buy > an active stereo screen such as Asus VG248QE or Asus VG278HR. > You do not need an expensive quadro card (600 will do fine) as the VG278HR > has build-in emitter for operation with cheap nvidia glasses. > It pays off in the long run to invest a few more dollars as you (I assume) > will spend a lot of time in front of the this device (so buy the best as you > only have one pair of eyes....). > > - J. - > > > > > Am 05.03.14 23:46, schrieb Shaun Lott: >> A rather US-centric question on passive 3D monitors... >> >> I'm just getting set up in the US, and I'm surprised on how few passive 3D >> monitors seem to be around - many models seem listed as 'out of stock' when >> looking in the usual places (Amazon, NewEgg, BestBuys, Walmart etc.) >> >> The best deal I have found is for an LG D2343PB-BN >> (http://www.lg.com/us/commercial/lcd-computer-monitors/lg-D2343PB-BN) at >> US$274 >> >> Does anyone have any experience with this model, or any suggestion about >> where best to buy 3D monitors in the US? >> >> many thanks in advance >> >> Shaun > > > -- > Dr. Jeroen R. 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