A number of superposition programs allow to superimpose specified atoms (such 
as CA).
Once you get the operator, comparing two different operators is not a job
for a conventional superposition program, since you are superimposing a
line on a line which has the extra degree of freedom- rotation about the line.
If you express the operator in spherical polar coordinates, which the 
superposition
program may provide or you can get from the matrix using ccp4 "rotmat",
you should be able to work out the relation between the axes.

Using the Uppsala sofware factory programs:

#This is superimposing parts of chains C, A, B on P, N, O (and vice versa - 
it's proper 2-fold)
lsqman -b <<eof
chain_mode original
re m1  cbc596.pdb
exp m1
C20-370  P20-370 A20-200 A250-400 B30-200 B250-400 N20-200 N250-400 O30-200 
O250-400
m1
P20  C20 N20 N250 O30 O250 A20 A250 B30 B250
save m1 m1 ncsasc01.odb
quit
eof

This prints the operator and saves it in ncsasc01.odb*
----------------
- The   2010 atoms have an RMS distance of    0.130 A
- RMS delta B  =   15.367 A2
- Corr. coeff. =      0.6601
- Rotation    :  -0.834671 -0.550747 -0.001321
-                -0.550747  0.834660  0.004400
-                -0.001321  0.004400 -0.999989
- Translation :    129.384    38.428   171.594
-------------------

Now use mama in an off-label way to convert to polar coordinates:
mama
overlap ncs  ncsasc01.odb
gives:
---------------------------
- RT-OP  1 =    -0.8346710   -0.5507473   -0.0013208                129.384
-               -0.5507473    0.8346604    0.0044000                 38.428
-               -0.0013208    0.0044000   -0.9999894                171.594
- Determinant of rotation matrix         1.000000
- Column-vector products (12,13,23)      0.000000    0.000000    0.000000
- Crowther Alpha Beta Gamma               106.709     179.736      73.291
- ***Spherical polars Omega Phi Chi           90.132     -73.291     180.000***
- Direction cosines of rotation axis     0.287514   -0.957774   -0.002303
- X-PLOR polars Phi Psi Kappa         *undefined* *undefined*     180.000
- Lattmann Theta+ Theta2 Theta-          -180.000     179.736    -146.582
- Rotation angle                             180.000
-------------------------
* if you use the .odb file outside of the USF software, be aware the matrix is the transpose
(or more accurately it is written by columns). In ccp4 this is taken care of withthe 
keyword "odb".

On 06/19/2015 09:07 AM, Tobias Beck wrote:
Dear all,

I have a PDB file that contains NCS in the asymmetric unit, probably point 
group D3.

1.) What program is recommended for determining the symmetry operators from PDB 
coordinates? I found findncs, but this uses only heavy atom coordinates (I 
could probably use just the sulfurs from the PDB as a work around).

2.) Then I would like to compare the PDB file to a related structure. Here I 
would like to align the symmetry operators determined above with symmetry 
elements found in a different space group, for example align the twofold axis 
from NCS with a twofold axis in found in a particular space group.
What is a good way to go about this?

I am aware that NCS is used in programs as restraints during refinement, but 
here I am interested in obtaining the NCS symmetry operators and aligning them 
to symmetry elements present in a new space group. Maybe I am overlooking an 
obvious solution.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks and best wishes, Tobias.
--
___________________________________________

Dr. Tobias Beck
- independent group leader -
RWTH Aachen University
Institute of Inorganic Chemistry
Landoltweg 1, office: 304N
52056 Aachen, Germany
phone:  +49-241-80-90057
fax:       +49-241-80-99003
web: http://www.ac.rwth-aachen.de/extern/beck/
___________________________________________

Reply via email to