Refmac and phenix.refine versions I used both seem to be problematic. Both are I2 in and C2 out.

--p

On 11/04/2016 08:25 AM, Ian Tickle wrote:

Hi Paul

This sounds like there might be a recently-introduced bug which should be reported to the author. I have several structures in I2 & I haven't noticed anything like this. Can you tell which program is introducing this error, e.g. by looking at the mtzdump outputs?

Cheers

-- Ian


On 4 November 2016 at 12:00, Paul Paukstelis <shocksofmig...@gmail.com <mailto:shocksofmig...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Thanks to all that responded. I sorted this out.

    It all appears to stem from the C2->I2 conversion. Forcing
    everything in processing to stick with C2 fixes all the issues!


    Thanks again,

    --paul



    On 11/03/2016 12:39 PM, Paul Paukstelis wrote:

        CCP4BB,

        I posted some time back about a DNA oligonucleotide structure
        we were working on. I had difficulty phasing it despite strong
        signal from bromines, but finally managed to get reasonable
        enough maps from a few datasets to build, only to find that
        despite the density looking quite good, it simply wouldn't
        refine past R/Rfree of around 28/32. With help from ccp4bb it
        began to become clear that this might be a candidate for a
        lattice with translocation defects.

        I had my student make a variant in which two 3' nucleotides
        that weren't involved in base pairing contacts were removed.
        This crystallized under the same conditions in a different
        space group and was now diffracting to ~1.0 A (from about 2.2
        in the previous space group). Images overall looked good,
        though we collected on some crystals that clearly had more
        than one lattice that made indexing more difficult. The best
        looking data still had some tails on spots, but was easily
        indexed in C2, which Pointless quite happily changed to I2 to
        minimize the beta angle. There are no clear alternating
        strong/weak intensities. Phaser finds a strong solution using
        the previously built dimer, but notes a 25% over origin peak
        in native Patterson. Maps look very good, though after the
        first round of refinement it is apparent that there is another
        dimer in the ASU, but it is clearly overlapping the first. If
        I'm not mistaken, all these clues suggest lattice
        translocation defects. Question 1: any thoughts on how likely
        it would be for a molecule to intrinsically pack in such a way
        that it results in lattice translocation defects?

        I thought it would be worthwhile pressing on given the high
        resolution it would be possible to do grouped occupancy
        refinement of the dimers without taking too huge a hit in
        observation/parameters. Refinement with refmac using occupancy
        groups leads to a best R/Rfree of 18/24, though geometry could
        be better in some spots. Curiously, refmac (or phenix.refine)
        in the PDB header reports only 50% completeness in the
        resolution range, though all the data reduction and analysis
        (aimless, xtriage) report 99% completeness. Question 2: Why is
        this? Phenix logfile says something about removing about half
        the reflections as systematic absences. I have been working
        with everything in I2 after Pointless switched it over.

        Question 3: Any other suggestions on how to proceed with
        refinement in a case like this? My gut instinct tells me that
        it would be better to not do intensity correction due to the
        high resolution, but perhaps that's something to pursue?

        Thank you in advance.

        --paul



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