Hello Kay,

I'd say yes, but I might miss something.

Here is the IDXREF.LP output:

Sabine


 ***** DETERMINATION OF THE RECIPROCAL LATTICE BASIS ******
 NUMBER OF DIFFERENCE VECTOR CLUSTERS USED 200
 MAXIMUM RADIUS OF DIFFERENCE VECTOR CLUSTERS (pixels)   3
 MINIMUM DISTANCE BETWEEN DIFFRACTION SPOTS (pixel)    6.0
 MINIMUM ALLOWED DISTANCE BETWEEN REC. LATTICE POINTS 0.2682E-02
 OBSERVED BASIS CELL VOLUME 0.6021E+06
 DIMENSION OF SPACE SPANNED BY DIFFERENCE VECTOR CLUSTERS   3

   #  COORDINATES OF REC. BASIS VECTOR    LENGTH   1/LENGTH

    1   0.0070481-0.0043879-0.0144998  0.0167084      59.85
    2   0.0099022 0.0011565 0.0044633  0.0109230      91.55
    3  -0.0001404-0.0087276 0.0025729  0.0091000     109.89

 CLUSTER COORDINATES AND INDICES WITH RESPECT TO REC. LATTICE BASIS VECTORS

   #  COORDINATES OF VECTOR CLUSTER   FREQUENCY       CLUSTER INDICES
    1 -0.0198775-0.0023086-0.0089462     3033.     -0.00 -2.01     -0.00
    2  0.0170296-0.0032635-0.0100896     2931.      1.01 1.00      0.00
    3 -0.0028512-0.0055653-0.0190257     2769.      1.00 -1.00      0.00
    4  0.0001345 0.0087600-0.0025802     2756.     -0.00 -0.00     -1.00
    5 -0.0099406-0.0011518-0.0044669     2748.     -0.00 -1.00     -0.00
    6  0.0369226-0.0009571-0.0011409     2572.      1.01 3.01      0.00
    7 -0.0027157 0.0031989-0.0215974     2517.      1.00 -1.00     -1.00
    8  0.0102242 0.0186700-0.0006904     2503.      0.00 1.00     -2.01
    9 -0.0098018 0.0076072-0.0070529     2471.     -0.00 -1.00     -1.00
   10  0.0096649-0.0163634 0.0096361     2465.      0.00 1.00      2.01
   11 -0.0171648-0.0055039 0.0126657     2460.     -1.00 -1.00      1.00
   12 -0.0070927 0.0044138 0.0145582     2456.     -1.00 -0.00     -0.00
   13  0.0072273 0.0043496-0.0171271     2446.      1.00 0.00     -1.00
   14  0.0068016-0.0219329-0.0093878     2437.      1.00 0.00      2.01
   15  0.0197453-0.0064538 0.0115256     2428.      0.00 2.01      1.00
   16  0.0100947 0.0099143 0.0018904     2413.      0.00 1.00     -1.00
   17  0.0073643 0.0131126-0.0197118     2403.      1.00 0.00     -2.01
   18  0.0397690 0.0046107 0.0178903     2388.      0.00 4.01      0.00
   19  0.0227406 0.0078707 0.0279747     2383.     -1.00 3.01      0.00
   20 -0.0141824 0.0088224 0.0291127     2383.     -2.01 -0.00     -0.00
   21  0.0103597 0.0274362-0.0032718     2361.      0.00 1.00     -3.01
   22 -0.0269727 0.0021092 0.0056176     2346.     -1.01 -2.01     -0.00
   23  0.0340618-0.0065201-0.0201693     2329.      2.01 2.01      0.00
   24 -0.0200231-0.0110674-0.0063643     2326.     -0.00 -2.01      1.00
   25  0.0125162-0.0108063 0.0286538     2325.     -1.00 2.01      2.01
   26 -0.0126463 0.0020440-0.0260664     2323.      1.00 -2.00     -1.00
   27  0.0143145-0.0000672-0.0316916     2308.      2.01 0.00     -1.00
   28  0.0168948-0.0120237-0.0075083     2306.      1.01 1.00      1.01
   29  0.0066708-0.0307011-0.0068110     2284.      1.00 0.00      3.01
   30  0.0002795 0.0175230-0.0051646     2283.     -0.00 -0.00     -2.01
   31 -0.0226058 0.0008922-0.0305478     2283.      1.00 -3.01     -1.00
   32  0.0095181-0.0251297 0.0122100     2276.      0.00 1.00      3.01
   33 -0.0029959-0.0143306-0.0164454     2250.      1.00 -1.00      1.00
   34  0.0130704 0.0242365 0.0183371     2229.     -1.00 2.01     -2.01
   35  0.0267005-0.0196259-0.0004455     2214.      1.01 2.01      2.01
   36 -0.0057125-0.0111320-0.0380540     2212.      2.01 -2.01      0.00
   37  0.0127956 0.0067207 0.0235036     2195.     -1.00 2.01      0.00
   38  0.0272584 0.0154143-0.0107700     2194.      1.01 2.01     -2.01
   39  0.0075127 0.0218694-0.0222930     2180.      1.00 0.00     -3.01
   40  0.0045134 0.0075431-0.0387461     2180.      2.01 -1.00     -2.01
   41  0.0298233 0.0034561 0.0134186     2169.      0.00 3.01      0.00
   42  0.0271311 0.0066555-0.0081839     2159.      1.01 2.01     -1.00
   43 -0.0242614-0.0010891 0.0272244     2138.     -2.01 -1.01      1.00
   44  0.0341972 0.0022350-0.0227552     2121.      2.01 2.01     -1.00
   45 -0.0043753 0.0012122 0.0361620     2118.     -2.01 1.00      1.00
   46  0.0244151 0.0098478-0.0298116     2112.      2.01 1.01     -2.01
   47 -0.0055691-0.0023701-0.0406352     2104.      2.01 -2.01     -1.00
   48 -0.0301120-0.0209742-0.0082509     2090.     -0.00 -3.01      2.01
   49 -0.0296785 0.0052997-0.0159965     2086.     -0.00 -3.01     -1.01
   50 -0.0268292 0.0108693 0.0030314     2076.     -1.01 -2.01     -1.01
   51 -0.0004199-0.0262847 0.0077376     2066.      0.00 -0.00      3.01
   52  0.0132169 0.0330109 0.0157589     2061.     -1.00 2.01     -3.01
   53 -0.0005534-0.0350474 0.0103260     2049.      0.00 0.00      4.02
   54 -0.0123845 0.0195574-0.0312418     2043.      1.00 -2.01     -3.01
   55 -0.0201672-0.0198288-0.0037871     2039.     -0.00 -2.01      2.01
   56 -0.0007071-0.0438227 0.0129006     2026.      0.00 -0.00      5.02
   57 -0.0025795 0.0119525-0.0241882     2025.      1.00 -1.00     -2.01
   58  0.0396384-0.0041547 0.0204763     2025.      0.00 4.02      1.01
   59  0.0196131-0.0152142 0.0141121     2020.      0.00 2.01      2.01
   60 -0.0241198 0.0076707 0.0246372     2014.     -2.01 -1.01     -0.00

 PARAMETERS OF THE REDUCED CELL (ANGSTROEM & DEGREES)
     59.85     91.55    109.89     90.00     90.00     90.00

   #  COORDINATES OF REC. BASIS VECTOR    REDUCED CELL INDICES

    1   0.0070481-0.0043879-0.0144998     1.00    0.00    0.00
    2   0.0099022 0.0011565 0.0044633     0.00    1.00    0.00
    3  -0.0001404-0.0087276 0.0025729     0.00    0.00    1.00


  LATTICE- BRAVAIS-   QUALITY  UNIT CELL CONSTANTS (ANGSTROEM & DEGREES)
 CHARACTER  LATTICE     OF FIT      a      b      c   alpha beta gamma

 *  44        aP          0.0      59.9   91.6  110.0  90.0 90.0  90.0
 *  31        aP          0.4      59.9   91.6  110.0  90.0 90.0  90.0
 *  33        mP          0.9      59.9   91.6  110.0  90.0 90.0  90.0
 *  34        mP          1.1      59.9  110.0   91.6  90.0 90.0  90.0
 *  35        mP          1.2      91.6   59.9  110.0  90.0 90.0  90.0
 *  32        oP          1.6      59.9   91.6  110.0  90.0 90.0  90.0
    37        mC        249.7     227.9   59.9   91.6  90.0 90.0  74.8
    36        oC        250.1      59.9  227.9   91.6  90.0 90.0 105.2
    39        mC        250.3     192.7   59.9  110.0  90.0 90.0  71.9
    28        mC        250.3      59.9  227.9   91.6  90.0 90.0  74.8
    38        oC        250.7      59.9  192.7  110.0  90.0 90.0 108.1
    29        mC        250.7      59.9  192.7  110.0  90.0 90.0  71.9
    27        mC        500.2     192.8   59.9  143.1  90.1 127.5  71.9


On 11/17/2016 08:17 AM, Kay Diederichs wrote:
Hi Sabine,

my first guess would be that you are overlooking half of the reflections 
meaning the  cell has really twice the volume. Is the list of difference 
vectors in IDXREF.LP clean in this respect?

Best,

Kay

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:26:59 +0100, Sabine Schneider 
<sabine.schnei...@cup.uni-muenchen.de> wrote:

Hello everybody,

I got a problem with solving and refining a structure of a small protein
of 20kDa, where we just swapped two residue at the surface by mutation
(AF vs FA).

For the FA variant we got three crystal forms, where we had no problem
whatsoever with MR and refinement
- P6522 cell 63 63 184 ~2.9A
- P21212 cell: 53 62 109 ~3A
- P212121 cell 40 43 96 ~1.8A

However with the AF-variant we only got one crystal (out of 50) that
diffracted reasonable well to ~2.4A at the synchrotron. And now the
problem starts: initially the data appear to be orthorhombic, but:

- SG18/19: cell 59 91 109 (I noticed that the b-axis is longer by 1/2b
compared to the other variant?!)
-> running phaser checking all possible alternative SGs found initally 2
mols/AUS in SG18, but since there was still space (and density!) I let
it search for another one (increased the clash tolerance)
SOLU SET RFZ=7.7 TFZ=11.8 PAK=0 LLG=141 TFZ==13.9 RFZ=3.0 TFZ=11.2 PAK=0
LLG=280 TFZ==17.1 LLG=288 TFZ==17.3 RFZ=5.9 TFZ=16.0 PAK=16 LLG=979
TFZ==15.3 LLG=1479 TFZ==17.4

- However the third molecule than clashes partly

- running refmac: R/Rfree stays in the high 40

- analysing the data with Xtriage indicates tNCS

- I also tried P212121, P21 and P1, always with the same result: space
as well as density between the proteins; placing more protein molecules
results in clashes (i.e. refinement in P1 gives R/Rfree of 38/41)

- data were processed with XDS as well as Dials/Aimless

- the protein is generally well folded, quite stable, without any loose
ends or flexible regions

- calculation of selfrotation functions in P21 and P21221 gives peak at
90dg (kappa=180dg)

Anyone an idea what could be going on or how to solve that?


Thanks a lot in advance!

Sabine

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