Update on this.

It seems that I was wrong, and time spent reading the manual and various 
tutorials on PDBx/mmCIF would have yielded dividends. Who would have thought 
that (we all know that people write manuals solely for their own benefit ;-))?

However, thanks to all who replied off-board to tell me that the chain ID in 
legacy PDB format in _atom_site.auth_asym_id in the mmCIF, and not in either of 
the two items I mentioned previously.

best wishes and happy Solstice!

Harry

> On 9 Jun 2023, at 15:57, Harry Powell 
> <0000193323b1e616-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks
> 
> I’ve noticed that for some structures, the PDB file seems to have the mmCIF 
> entry for the “_atom_site.label_asym_id” as the chain ID, and for other PDB 
> files it has the “_atom_site.label_entity_id”.
> 
> e.g. for 4bpq, for ATOM 1 I see - 
> 
>> CIF: ATOM 1    N N  . UNK A 1 1   ? 14.187  19.549  -8.010  1.00 0.00 ? 1   
>> UNK A N  1
>> 
>> PDB: ATOM      1  N   UNK A   1      14.187  19.549  -8.010  1.00  0.00      
>>      N  
>> 
> but for 6p9o for ATOM 1 I see - 
> 
>> CIF: ATOM 1 N N . ARG A 1 64 ? -0.538 27.658 131.675 1.00 39.97 ? 64 ARG 1 N 
>> 1 64 UNP P03300 643 R
>> 
>> PDB: ATOM      1  N   ARG 1  64      -0.538  27.658 131.675  1.00 39.97      
>>      N  
> 
> both have the corresponding loop items in the same order
> 
> loop_
> _atom_site.group_PDB
> _atom_site.id
> _atom_site.type_symbol
> _atom_site.label_atom_id
> _atom_site.label_alt_id
> _atom_site.label_comp_id
> _atom_site.label_asym_id
> _atom_site.label_entity_id
> _atom_site.label_seq_id
> 
> so it shouldn’t be that the items are in a different order (which I think is 
> allowed in STAR formats).
> 
> Any ideas which one is right? Or are they both right? Or both wrong? Or am I 
> wrong about this, and have just mis-read the entries? (the refinement program 
> for 6p9o is given as both REFMAC and “PHENIX” in the CIF - presumably 
> phenix.refine, but I wouldn’t bet my house on it).
> 
> Harry
> 
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