----- Original Message ----- From: "Tothwolf" <tothw...@concentric.net> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: PDP 11 gear finally moved


On Tue, 21 Jul 2015, Mike Stein wrote:

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FWIW I'm certainly not about to spend 100s of dollars, not to mention time spent in sourcing and replacing, to replace the caps in systems

100s? Where are you sourcing your components from? The typical board I rebuild has a component cost of about $20 or less. Smaller switchmode PSUs with a bunch of 10-18mm radials might be closer to $35-50. Larger PSUs /might/ cost closer to $100 if they have several large screw terminal capacitors in them. All things considered, that isn't very much money in today's dollars, and considering the full replacement cost of some of these boards (if they are even available), those preventive maintenance costs are an absolute bargain, /especially/ if you are doing the work yourself on your own time.

Maybe it isn't much money in your world, especially when someone else is paying. I just priced the main power supply caps in one of my Cromemco systems and it comes to ~ $120 (and all special order of course); if I replaced all the caps in all my (working) systems as you and a few others are suggesting across the board regardless of the system, condition etc., it would easily exceed $2000 if I could even find suitable replacements. And what about those prone to explode tantalums while we're at it...

If you're recapping 20-year old or newer circuit boards for customers as you apparently are then it does indeed often make sense to replace all the aluminum electrolytics, especially if the board has problems or there's visual evidence of failure, but let those of us with older, well-working systems use our _judgement_ whether to replace or not. OK?

To each his own...

that are running perfectly "just in case"...

How do you -know- they are "running perfectly"?

They reliably do what they're supposed to do.

m

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