> On Oct 23, 2018, at 4:08 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> From: Ben Bfranchuk
>
>> I just can't find a clean simple design yet. ...
>> The PDP 11 is nice machine, but I am looking for simpler designs
>> where 16K words is a valid memory size for a OS and small single user
>> software.
>
> There was a recent discussion about code density (I forget whether here, or
> on TUHS), and someone mentioned this paper:
>
> http://web.eece.maine.edu/~vweaver/papers/iccd09/iccd09_density.pdf
>
> which shows that for a combo of benchmarks, the PDP-11 had the densest code
> out of all the ones they looked at. (They didn't look at the PDP-8, but I
> suspect that since it's a single-address design, it's almost ceertainly not
> as dense.)
>
> The PDP-11 dates back to the days of core (it went through several generations
> before DRAM arrived - e.g. the -11/70 originally shipped with core), and given
> core prices, minimizing code size was pretty important - hence the results
> above.
>
> So if you want to get the most bang out of 16K buck...
>
> Not the simplest machine to implement, mind - the -8 is a lot simpler. Which
> axis is the most important to you?
For simplicity and reasonable density, you might want to look at J1 (which is
a Forth CPU). It has been implemented in 300 lines of Verilog and the entire
CPU + 16KB of memory fits in a reasonably sized Spartan 3E FPGA (and you
have space for all of the other “cool” stuff).
Admittedly, you get to write in Forth which may be a minus for some folks. ;-)
I did write a simulator for it (in Forth of course!) but I’m in the process of
redoing
it in C so that I can have multiple threads of execution (for the various
devices I
want to emulate). For me it was important because I’m using this as the
controller
in an FPGA so I wanted to have a better debug environment for developing the
code. ;-)
TTFN - Guy
