On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 05:33, Tomasz Rola <rto...@ceti.pl> wrote: I found this post incoherent and very hard to follow. I will therefore limit myself to commenting to the responses direct to me.
OK, apart from: > Ok guys, just to make things clearer, here are two pages from wiki: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_operating_system This is perhaps the single worst article I've seen on Wikipedia. Poorly written, technically ignorant, mostly nonsense. > Plus, some kind of system programming language - I had no idea what > Smalltalk was and I still have no idea but I might have swallowed > that. Right, then go learn a bit about it. You need that to understand this subject properly, I submit. > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 04:14:34PM +0200, Liam Proven wrote: > Very true, but if someone promises and does not deliver, who is he? [1] A marketing person? [2] Behaving in a 100% normal way for the IT industry? > And nobody makes a small print saying "this is just marketing > material, so do not count on it". If I cannot count on it, why waste > my time? You need to develop much stronger bullsh1t filters. > No objection, except "everybody copied". I have seen those copies, > including Gnomes and KDEs (up to about 2014, when I gave up trying) > and considered them increasingly dysfunctional. So? I didn't say they were _good_ copies. I made no judgement of quality at all. > The only thing that > was better than original Windows GUI was stability (but after > Windows2000 this one improved a lot, IMHO). The NT family was always far more stable, not starting with W2K. > And I was able to use > virtual desktops and they did not suck (while I tried few virtual > desktops on Win95 and they sucked like black hole and then some). Win10 finally has working ones. > What do I care if other people voluntarily push screwdrivers > through the random body cavities of their own? Hey, sounds like golden > opportunity for sharp hardware shop. I do not see the relevance of this unpleasant image. > This should be a responce to your message in this other thread, but I > am not sure if I have this many time, so, as you claimed that Windows > wrote a new book of UI or something: > > :: Interface Hall of Shame / - Windows95 - > http://hallofshame.gp.co.at/msoft.htm Some of these are valid points. Some are quibbling about details. Some display a serious lack of understanding of real ordinary people and how they interact with computers. Some show a deep lack of understanding of history -- bear in mind this was a v4 product, after many point-releases too. So, to pick an important example, for instance, it displays apparently-complete ignorance of the Win3 model of "MDI" -- multiple document inheritance -- which was an important design principle of Windows 3.x and OS/2 1.x and which MS started to systematically eliminate in Win9x and IBM started to eliminate in OS/2 2.x. This is a big, important concept and I don't even see it _mentioned_. Some are just cheap shots. I don't consider it overall to be particularly interesting or incisive. You are free to if you wish, of course. > And yet I choose to use Linux harder, just because it did job, whereas > Windows could not (unless I wanted unreliable computer, and I cannot > use unreliable when reliable is available or I get flaming mad). Fine. Good for you. So? What does this say about the UIs of the OSes? > As a side note, I do not claim Linux is oh so the bestest of them > all. It just can do things I consider important while Windows could > not (every time I try using it in serious manner, after about hour my > index finger wants to fall off from constant mouse stimulation). And > some time ago Linux started accumulating certain fringe elements, so a > jump to another platform is necessary. All OSes suck. Some suck slightly more than others. Some, e.g. BeOS or EPOC, slightly less. > I am amazed too. Apparently you do with Windows something else than I > would, and if it works for you, I am cool. I don't use it at all if I can avoid it. However, I did spend about 25y supporting it. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053