-----Original Message----- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mark J. Blair via cctalk Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 4:10 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: DEC Purchase Specifications, particularly 23-000A9-01
..... If 70ns access time parts are sufficient for the M9312's PROMs, then I may design an emulation with a 5V compatible 28 series EEPROM. If they need to be faster, then I may need to do something fancier. Or maybe I'll find the original PROMs that I need and then get distracted and wander off. It may well be easier to design a replacement for the entire M9312 card than trying to emulate the individual 512x4 bipolar PROMs, but since when do I do anything the easy way? I sure wouldn't be playing with 40 year old computers if I was concerned with practicality and ease of use! ----- >From some notes (origin misplaced!) you'll need a typical access time of 40ns from address, or 20ns from /CS: ---- DEC boot PROMs on Unibus cards are small bipolar fusible-link PROMs The A9 types are 82S131 (or MMI6306, 75S171, 27S13, 93448, etc) 16-pin DIL 512-words by 4-bit wide. Pin spacing is 0.1", pin column pitch is 0.3". Access times are typically 40ns from address, or 20ns from /CS. ____ ____ | U | A6 | 1 16 | Vcc A5 | 2 15 | A7 A4 | 3 14 | A8 A3 | 4 13 | /CS A0 | 5 12 | D0 A1 | 6 11 | D1 A2 | 7 10 | D2 Vss | 8 9 | D3 |_________| The F1 types are 82S137 (or TI24S41, MMI6353, 74S573, 27S33, 93453, etc) 18-pin DIL 1024 words x 4-bit wide. Pin spacing is 0.1", pin column pitch is 0.3". Access times are typically 40ns from address, or 20ns from /CS. ____ ____ | U | A6 | 1 18 | Vcc A5 | 2 17 | A7 A4 | 3 16 | A8 A3 | 4 15 | A9 A0 | 5 14 | D0 A1 | 6 13 | D1 A2 | 7 12 | D2 /CS1 | 8 11 | D3 Vss | 9 10 | /CS2 |_________| Note for all types: although the types listed are read-compatible, each brand/type may use a very different programming algorithm. Also note that these have tri-state outputs; other types (eg 27S13A) have open-collector outputs. ---- And a potentially useful utility from Eric Smith: https://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/software/m9312/ I have a vague recollection that someone kludged an 11/84 UBA (M8191) in the manner that you describe but I can't find the reference at the moment. Perhaps the memory of someone else will be jogged ... -----