On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 3:22 AM The Doctor via cctalk
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Before I saw the photographs I would have guessed that the three sets of 
> tumbler
> stacks would all be pinned identically.  In terms of manufacture and 
> maintenance it
> would be both easiest and cost effective.  But.
>
> Photograph number five on that gallery page (nice and simple - I like it) 
> makes me
> wonder.  To have a key that would work with all three sets of tumblers it 
> seems
> like it would have to have five cuts on it, not four.  The four cuts closest 
> to

No, I thnk it's just 4 cuts. I am pretty sure I can make out 4, and only 4 pins.

In each of the 3 positions those line up with the appropriate 4 upper
pins. The plug moves back for the anticlockwise position.

I must admit I had the same thought initially of 2 key types but I
can't see how that would work.


> the shoulder would work in the (looking at the lock straight on from the 
> front)
> rightmost and top positions.  There should be room in the keyway for the 
> unused fifth
> cut at the end of the key, with no pin stack to engage.  However, the leftmost
> pinstack is offset backward by a distance of one pin stack, which implies 
> that it is
> pinned for the second, third, fourth, and postulated fifth cuts on the 
> matching key.
>
> It would make sense to find key blanks that almost but not quite fit - with a 
> blade
> of the right width and height but ideally without any of the warding grooves 
> on the
> sides (but that may not be feasible).  Then grind out wards that match the 
> weird
> parts of the keyway.
>
> But that might not be practical, either.  Using a 3d printer to fab a couple 
> of key
> blanks wouldn't be a good idea, I think.  I don't think plastic would hold up 
> well.

It wouldn't (and in my limited experience 3D printed plastic parts are
weaker than plastic parts machines from solid anyway). It takes
considerable torque to turn the camshaft in certain positions.

>
> Would it be feasible to cut a couple of key blanks out of metal plate?  Maybe 
> metal
> strips?

Should be possible to mill them, but as I said I'd want to make
several identical ones which is a pain without CNC tools (my
lathe/mill are entirely manual). I can't believe it's a custom keyway
so blanks should exist for it.

-tony

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