> On Dec 16, 2025, at 4:59 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
>>> It is a sad comment on our society that there could be a need to tell
>>> people.
>>> Are there really people who were not taught that the first time that they
>>> encountered a threaded fastener?
> On Tue, 16 Dec 2025, Carey Schug wrote:
>> i guess it is such a sad comment.  at 76 years old I was never taught that,
>> including in shop class in high school.
> 
> It is interesting, and a little horrifying, that it wasn't taught.
> Surely it wasn't that the shop teacher didn't know to do it?
> Or, maybe it was so deeply ingrained that it didn't occur to mention it?
> 
> My mother (farm raised) told me.
> Even my father (city boy from NYC, "call the super"), who didn't even know 
> that there is more than one size of Phillips screwdrivers, told me.

I have a $10 set of 100 screwdriver bits, including some quite odd ones like 
"triwing".

> But, for half a century, I have been saying that the demise of erector sets 
> (or equivalent in other countries) after they changed from a motor with a 
> whole bunch of gears to a plastic battery motor,  means that mechanical 
> competence is going, going, gone

Yup.  I fondly remember my childhood Meccano set, green strips of metal and 
little screws with square nuts.  The motor was a spring powered mechanism.

> (Likewise, modern kids don't all know what "CLOCKWISE" means!  (reasonably 
> mentioned about Jake in "Two And A Half Men".))
> 
> ("When you are standing on your head, and seeing with a mirror, to know which 
> way to turn the drainplug, imagine a watch face on it.")

Eek.  But do you know why clockwise is the direction it is?  My father referred 
to it when he used as a synonym "with the sun" (in Europe, that is).

        paul

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