I watched a promo VM/370 movie at Portland state at a nerd fest in 1975.
64 Meg was not believable in 1975. We had 32K on our IBM 1130.
Oregon S/W / OMSI Barry White said, When core gets to $1 a byte, Computers
will take off.
It's funny now.

On Sat, Feb 7, 2026 at 1:36 AM David Wade via cctalk <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>
> On 07/02/2026 03:51, Steve Lewis wrote:
> > Dave,
> >
> > Page 439 of that document you linked has a nice chart of "integrated
> > emulators that run execute under VM/370" -  now I do recall one of the
> > "famous" things about the prior S/360 was it could emulate 1401 and
> > other IBM systems.  Then later on, more systems to emulate would be
> > the 709-series.     Ok, so VM/370 is more like what we might today
> > call a Hypervisor?  So the "it looks like whatever you want" comment
> > makes sense.
> >
> You don't need VM to emulate a 1401, I believe the 1401 emulator ran
> under MVS as well, or I think on some S/360 machines you could load 1401
> microcode.
> So yes VM itself is what today we would call a hypervisor. It creates
> virtual machines and each virtual machine is pretty much totally isolated.
> But CMS was provided as source code, and in the early days it was very
> limited so sites made many modifications.
>
> > I suppose what I'm after is more a visual on the usage of CMS, DOS/VS
> > or OS/VS1 ( OS's that one would only use on an S/370 ? )
> >
>
> There was also MTS and MUSIC plus a few other TSO and CICS replacements.
>
> > I put a couple reference images here on what I have about CTSS and
> > TOPS-10 (CTSS is from a modern-day emulators, TOPS-10 is from one of
> > their manuals so its from in 1970).   I see how you mean VM/370 isn't
> > quite the same nature (not "just an OS" but an enterprise thing like
> > for airlines, banks, financial brokers -- and the virtualization
> > helped in testing/deploying new systems -- that maybe had newer OS's
> > -- without disrupting operational systems?)
> >
> > https://github.com/voidstar78/OS_NOTES
> >
> OK I can do something similar for VM and CMS but got a busy day here:-
>
> https://www.scienceandindustrymuseum.org.uk/whats-on/meet-baby
>
> (yes thats me, the rest of the team are camera shy)
>
> >
> > - Steve
> >
> >
> >
> Dave
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 6, 2026 at 10:00 AM David Wade <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >     On 06/02/2026 14:55, Steve Lewis wrote:
> >     > Thanks Dave, the 3270 terminal screen makes sense. Or to make
> >     use of
> >     > the system and resources, you'd remote to it using a 3270.
> >     > So it may have been at a time no one thought to snap a
> >     photograph of
> >     > any of those 3270s in use (not just a "room full of 3270's" kind of
> >     > photo - but of the actual screen, showing whatever it was they were
> >     > doing;  managing tape/disk resources, files, users, or running
> >     APL or
> >     > something.  That's more what I was looking for, when you "used
> >     VM/370
> >     > {or remoted into it}, this is what it looked like."
> >     Generally thats not what you did with VM/370. You edited,
> >     compiled, and
> >     ran programs....
> >
> >     >
> >     > There had to be some kind of installer?  Or maybe I'm viewing it
> >     wrong
> >     > - they (a business) didn't just buy a S/370 then decide what OS to
> >     > install.  But rather it was a packaged prepared by IBM, so maybe it
> >     > was pre-installed with VM/370 and configured to whatever the
> >     > arrangement/contract was?
> >
> >     For VM you usually got a "starter system" on a tape. There was a
> >     different tape for each disk type. The first file on the tape is the
> >     standalone disk dump and restore program, DDR. So you IPL (boot) from
> >     this tape, and use DDR to restore the starter system to  DASD (disk).
> >     You usually needed three packs. The first time you IPL the restored
> >     starter system it asks you some basic config questions, and you then
> >     have a working system that you can use to restore the rest of the
> >     VM/370, load and apply service (fixes) , and configure to your exact
> >     hardware set-up.
> >
> >     I expect at 522 pages this manual which covers install and
> >     congigureis a
> >     tad bigger than the one for other systems...
> >
> >
> https://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/VM/370/Release_6/GC20-1801-10_VM370_Sysgen_Rel_6_Jan80.pdf
> >
> >
> >     > Or a way to say "when someone used a S/370 {or CMS}, this is
> >     what the
> >     > console content looked like" (printed, or by that time yea probably
> >     > more likely a CRT).
> >     >
> >
> >     It looked like whatever you wanted. The samples in the previous
> >     e-mail
> >     are typical...
> >
> >
> >     > “The Origin of the VM/370 Time-Sharing System” – R.J. Creasy
> >     gives a
> >     > little bit of a description on those components CP, CMS, and RSCS.
> >     > But no photo/image yet of a terminal with content to identify
> >     "yeah,
> >     > see they are using a S/370 there" (maybe its listing disk packs,
> >     > tapes, memory resources, etc?)  I got something like this for the
> >     > earlier CTSS and TOPS-10.
> >     >
> >     pass me what  you have for that so I can see what a VM Equivalent
> >     might
> >     be. The definitive thing on a users 3270 is the status bottom right
> >     which on a pukka system which usually reads "VM READ VM/370" but can
> >     also start "RUNNING", "HOLDING" "CP READ".
> >
> >     > -Steve
> >     >
> >     >
> >     Dave
> >
>

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