---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Lynn Santos <[email protected]> Date: Tue, May 17, 2016 at 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Worldwide-Filipino-Alliance] Re: Chay would cede Philippine territory to the US, China, Germany and Japan To: [email protected]
A good friend of mine has been listening to our conversations and here is his take on the commercial bases idea. He is actually more charitable than me because he doesn't know Danding and Tolenitsky. Hahaha. Cesar L *Chay,* * They are not businessmen. They do not realize that the country is starved for investment capital. All our lives we have been indoctrinated that we should not sell-out our national patrimony, and these guys still believe that* *They don't realize that was a ploy by the ruling elite to keep the national assets exclusively for them to exploit at their leisure because they have done nothing to develop the country * *China only became what it is today because for 25 years they were willing to be the sweat shop of the world in exchange for technology transfer and starting capital* *Don't these guys know how to take a lesson from that?* *Did foreigners overwhelm China* *Lynn* remm Lynn Santos [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Cesar Lumba <[email protected]> To: World-Wide Fil Alliance <[email protected]> Cc: Eduardo Gimenez <[email protected]>; HS59LaSalle < [email protected]>; 62ndforum <[email protected]>; Augusto Jamora <[email protected]>; Archersnook < [email protected]>; CFGG Assoc. *CFGG CFGG < [email protected]>; Moonglow < [email protected]>; Emily Abrera <[email protected]>; poch suzara <[email protected]>; Robert Hyndman <[email protected]>; James Litton <[email protected]>; Mariano Patalinjug < [email protected]>; Mariano Patalinjug <[email protected]>; Lettie Andres <[email protected]>; Rene Saguisag <[email protected]>; eastwind_777 <[email protected]>; Cesar Torres <[email protected]>; Cupalmo Fishda <[email protected]>; frednati <[email protected]>; Bert M Drona <[email protected]>; Perry Diaz <[email protected]>; MELANIO MAURICIO JR. <[email protected]>; Jo Laguatan <[email protected]>; Alex Gaston <[email protected]>; Oscar Nava <[email protected]>; roilogolez <[email protected]>; Pfirlani eddie <[email protected]>; rep.waldenbello <[email protected]>; Marlowe <[email protected]>; Marcelo Tecson <[email protected]>; Fr. Francisco Manoling < [email protected]>; frjohn.portavella <[email protected]>; roycimagala <[email protected]>; Preda Newsletters < [email protected]>; feedback <[email protected]>; feedback < [email protected]>; Manila Standard Today < [email protected]>; Mla Bulletin Press <[email protected]>; Business World <[email protected]>; Business Mirror < [email protected]>; Bambi Harper <[email protected]>; Salvador Parlade <[email protected]>; Atty. Berteni Causing < [email protected]>; Elvie Medina <[email protected]>; bankawitomon <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, May 17, 2016 8:36 am Subject: Re: [Worldwide-Filipino-Alliance] Re: Chay would cede Philippine territory to the US, China, Germany and Japan Tolenitsky, The land that shall be leased will be surrounded by Philippine forces. And it will be COMMERCIAL leases (can you say COMMERCIAL?), with a prohibition against lessees bringing arms into the leased territories. Their security will be guaranteed by Filipino defense forces, so there will be no need to militarize the leased territories. The problem with you, Tolenitsky, is that you lack a functioning imagination. Everyone has imagination, including you, Tolentisky. Give your imagination a chance. Imagine skyscrapers and factories starting to sprout in large tracts of land in the Philippines with modern roads, bridges, lakes and housing developments that you would normally see in California and Nevada becoming an everyday sight. In the middle of nowhere, the large tracts of leased land are surrounded by coconut trees and barrios. What would happen to the coconut trees and the barrios where many of the workers who work in the bases live? The surrounding areas will start to mimic the development inside the bases. You will start to see subdivisions just outside the leased bases springing up. You will see a well-armed, well-fed Philippine police and army contingent deployed nearby, providing security to the leased commercial bases. Imagine five or more dozen commercial bases scattered all over the country, many becoming the impetus for first world economic development in islands such as Mindoro, Masbate, Marinduque, the Negroses and Cebu. Imagine a dozen commercial bases in Mindanao that replace the agricultural crops that have been planted by major corporations like Dole, which are located in Mindanao because it is full of people willing to work the soil and care for the plants and pick the fruits at starvation wages. Imagine those Mindanao people earning a decent living inside the commercial bases and being able to afford new and modern housing that are springing up all around the commercial bases. Imagine those people in Mindanao and others in Luzon able to send their children to good schools that are certain to locate in the new modern communities that are mushrooming all around the bases. Imagine a country's nearly overnight journey, transitioning from a backward, agricultural countryside to a muscular industrial and business power courtesy of countries that have located some of their manufacturing and business functions there. Imagine little Singapores and Germanys and Seattles and Miamis and Guangdongs and Taipeis and Osakas springing up all over the islands. Imagine the developmental impact of such enclaves on the whole Philippine archipelago. Use your imagination, Tolenitsky, stop reading the book of Mao Tze Dung, where the very idea of progress is prohibited because the book imagines that all foreigners are imperialists that must be repelled by the millions of Chinese soldiers willing to win wars by throwing their sacrificial bodies at the enemy who can't kill them all with their limited armory. Cesar L On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:46 AM, Allan Tolentino [email protected] [Worldwide-Filipino-Alliance] <[email protected]> wrote: *Your idea of lease is laughable. Lease is the strong’s cover for a landgrab. Without thinking, you simply accepted the term as if it is an agreement between 2 consenting parties in a condo lease. The Sultan of Sulu “leased” Sabah to the 18th century superpower Britannia? You must be joking, Lumba. Did the Sultan get back his Sabah at the end of the “lease”? Or did the “lessee”, the spent power Britain in the 20th century, insolently give away the Sultan’s Sabah to the new country Malaysia? Some lease that was. Only in Lumba’s fairy tales.* *Another lease fairy tale is Guantanamo. “Leased” by Cuba in 1903 to the U.S. with a Gattling Gun aimed at Cubans. It’s almost mid-2016 today. Yet the American “lessees” of Guantanamo refuse to vacate the premises despite Cuba’s demands to do so. But to Hans Christian Lumba’s world, Guantanamo is a “legitimate lease agreement.”* *The U.S. “leased” for 99 years extraterritory from its colony the Philippines after its WWII devastation and “independence” in 1946. Only mentally unhinged people or Macabebe Scouts or both agree the “lease agreement” was a legitimate expression of “independence” by a wonderfully free people called Filipinos.* *Hong Kong was “leased” by superpower Britain in 1847 from Chinese warlords as gateway to sell opium in China’s interior. In 1997 China’s PLA physically marched into Hong Kong to terminate with finality Britain’s “lease”, prompting Margaret Thatcher to complain about China’s insensitivity and brusqueness. Whatever, the British were in no position to give away Hong Kong to anyone else like they did with Sabah. No more “lease” monkey business for China.* *But Gunga Dins with romantic nostalgia for a bygone colonial era would like to recreate the 19th century with commercial “lease agreements” in special areas where the foreigners’ laws will prevail. Like Shanghai in the 19th century.* *Not a bad idea as background to writing fiction about a fairyland of your dreams. Stick to fairy tales, Lumba. True history is beyond your grasp.* *Allan T. * ------------------------------ *From:* "Cesar Lumba [email protected] [Worldwide-Filipino-Alliance]" < [email protected]> *To:* World-Wide Fil Alliance <[email protected]> *Cc:* Eduardo Gimenez <[email protected]>; HS59LaSalle < [email protected]>; 62ndforum <[email protected]>; Augusto Jamora <[email protected]>; Archersnook < [email protected]>; CFGG Assoc. *CFGG CFGG < [email protected]>; Moonglow < [email protected]>; Emily Abrera <[email protected]>; poch suzara <[email protected]>; Robert Hyndman <[email protected]>; James Litton <[email protected]>; Mariano Patalinjug < [email protected]>; Mariano Patalinjug <[email protected]>; Lettie Andres <[email protected]>; Rene Saguisag <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; Cesar Torres < [email protected]>; Cupalmo Fishda <[email protected]>; " [email protected]" <[email protected]>; Bert M Drona <[email protected]>; Perry Diaz <[email protected]>; MELANIO MAURICIO JR. < [email protected]>; Jo Laguatan <[email protected]>; Alex Gaston < [email protected]>; Oscar Nava <[email protected]>; " [email protected]" <[email protected]>; Pfirlani eddie < [email protected]>; "[email protected]" < [email protected]>; Marlowe <[email protected]>; Marcelo Tecson < [email protected]>; Fr. Francisco Manoling <[email protected]>; " [email protected]" <[email protected]>; " [email protected]" <[email protected]>; Preda Newsletters < [email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; Manila Standard Today <[email protected]>; Mla Bulletin Press <[email protected]>; Business World <[email protected]>; Business Mirror < [email protected]>; Bambi Harper <[email protected]>; Salvador Parlade <[email protected]>; Atty. Berteni Causing < [email protected]>; Elvie Medina <[email protected]>; " [email protected]" <[email protected]> *Sent:* Monday, 16 May 2016, 20:11 *Subject:* Re: [Worldwide-Filipino-Alliance] Re: Chay would cede Philippine territory to the US, China, Germany and Japan Tolenitsky, Hans Christian Lumba wonders: where's the beef in what you just posted? I guess the only "land-lease" that is acceptable to you is one involving the forced lease that your patron, China, has written in its favor involving islands and atolls in the Spratlys and Scarborough Shoal and which made use of forged signatures of the Filipino people. Hahaha. Cesar L On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Allan Tolentino [email protected] [Worldwide-Filipino-Alliance] <[email protected]> wrote: *These are the kinds of emanations that result from confusing fiction for historical facts. The only redeeming social value of Hans Christian Lumba's fairy tales is amusement. But then even fairy tales may win the Nobel Prize for entertainment.* *Allan T.* ------------------------------ *From:* "Cesar Lumba [email protected] [Worldwide-Filipino-Alliance]" < [email protected]> *To:* Eduardo Gimenez <[email protected]> *Cc:* World-Wide Fil Alliance <[email protected]>; HS59LaSalle <[email protected]>; 62ndforum < [email protected]>; Augusto Jamora <[email protected]>; Archersnook <[email protected]>; CFGG Assoc. *CFGG CFGG < [email protected]>; Moonglow < [email protected]>; Allan Tolentino <[email protected]>; Emily Abrera <[email protected]>; poch suzara <[email protected]>; Robert Hyndman <[email protected]>; James Litton < [email protected]>; Mariano Patalinjug <[email protected]>; Mariano Patalinjug <[email protected]>; Lettie Andres < [email protected]>; Rene Saguisag <[email protected]>; " [email protected]" <[email protected]>; Cesar Torres < [email protected]>; Cupalmo Fishda <[email protected]>; " [email protected]" <[email protected]>; Bert M Drona <[email protected]>; Perry Diaz <[email protected]>; MELANIO MAURICIO JR. < [email protected]>; Jo Laguatan <[email protected]>; Alex Gaston < [email protected]>; Oscar Nava <[email protected]>; " [email protected]" <[email protected]>; Pfirlani eddie < [email protected]>; "[email protected]" < [email protected]>; Marlowe <[email protected]>; Marcelo Tecson < [email protected]>; Fr. Francisco Manoling <[email protected]>; " [email protected]" <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Preda Newsletters <[email protected]>; [email protected]; [email protected]; Manila Standard Today < [email protected]>; Mla Bulletin Press <[email protected]>; Business World <[email protected]>; Business Mirror < [email protected]>; Bambi Harper <[email protected]>; Salvador Parlade <[email protected]>; Atty. Berteni Causing < [email protected]>; Elvie Medina <[email protected]>; [email protected] *Sent:* Monday, 16 May 2016, 3:07 *Subject:* Re: [Worldwide-Filipino-Alliance] Re: Chay would cede Philippine territory to the US, China, Germany and Japan Danding, Of course there would be risks. Remember the U.S. bases in the Philippines? Where are they now? You mentioned Sabah. The UK leased the land from the Sultan of Sulu, not the government of the Philippines. And the UK did not hold on it - turned it over to the Malaysians. The Philippines would have fought a war with the Malaysians but the U.S. and the UK convinced us to cool it. And Sabah was never Philippine territory. It belonged to the Sultan of Sulu and ceded to the Philippines only because the Sultan did not have the military to back up his claim. Indeed, land grabbing was rampant in the 19th century and earlier. I would grant that. But this is the 21st century, man. Look at what your Chinese friends have found themselves in after they grabbed islands and atolls in our EEZ. They face condemnation among the ASEAN countries. And when, as expected, the decision favorable to the Philippines' case is handed down within a month if not a few weeks, China will face universal condemnation. And possible military action by the Philippines, aided by the U.S., Japan, Australia and possibly Indonesia and India. And look at Africa. Where are the colonial masters now vis-a-vis the African continent? Your Spanish ancestors - booted out of the Philippines, Mexico, Cuba, Central America and South America. Guantanamo - were it not for the Cuban revolution and the fight with the U.S., would Guantanamo still be the sticking point between the two countries? For sure, there would be a reassessment followed by an agreement acceptable to both countries. Cesar L On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Eduardo Gimenez <[email protected] > wrote: Chay: The commercial bases will be leased by first-world countries for any length of time (50 years, 100 years, etc.), the leases certain to expire at some point. Response: Nonsense. Guantanamo was leased from Cuba by the US in 1903 and never returned. Sabah was leased to the British and never returned. There have been numerous other examples of territory having been turned to a major power and never returned. Why should anyone listen to your suggestions when you are obviously ignorant about the history of land-grabbing by stronger nations of territories belonging to weaker nations who for whatever reason or mechanism, offered their patrimony over parts of their land to the strong? Once the strong have possession, all mechanism for a weak original owner taking it back, disappears if the strong want to keep what was given or leased or lent to them. Hong Kong was one exception because over the period of the lease the UK had weakened from its predominant position... while China had become much stronger. The British simply had no way of holding Hong Kong from China. But in the case of the Philippines, there simply is no visible way one can perceive the nation to become a major military power in the next 50 to 100 years. Not strong enough to take back territory it leased to China or the US if those nations refuse to give it back. *From:* [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] *Sent:* Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:13 AM *To:* World-Wide Fil Alliance <[email protected]>; HS59LaSalle <[email protected]>; 62ndforum < [email protected]>; Augusto Jamora <[email protected]>; Archersnook <[email protected]>; CFGG Assoc. *CFGG CFGG < [email protected]>; Moonglow < [email protected]> *Subject:* Re: [Worldwide-Filipino-Alliance] Re: Chay would cede Philippine territory to the US, China, Germany and Japan Danding, The commercial bases will be leased by first-world countries for any length of time (50 years, 100 years, etc.), the leases certain to expire at some point. HongKong was, de facto, leased by China to the United Kingdom and when it was returned to China it was a fully developed first-world enclave, the financial capital of Asia. (Those of you who are willing to read more about my idea of how commercial bases will work, you can pick up a copy at amazon.com of my 2005 book, "Out of the Misty Sea We Must, Blueprint for a New Philippines." What I anticipate happening is that those lucky enough to be hired by the foreign corporations operating inside the Philippines' commercial bases will get: 1. good-paying jobs; 2. an exposure to first-world governance and culture that they will tell their friends and families about: 3. a first-hand look at first-world models for elections and politics; 4. a taste of first-world life as a sort of Brigadoon in the midst of our third-world living. For the country it will mean huge dollar receipts from the leases that the Philippine government can turn around and use to finance an accelerated industrialization and the bolstering of our military and the modernization of our infrastructure (more freeways, modern bridges, modern ports, bullet trains, etc.) It will mean being able to provide life-changing jobs to the Filipino people who currently are able to find jobs only in places like Saudi Arabia, HongKong, Singapore, Malaysia and in ocean-going vessels where they are routinely exploited and often treated inhumanely. Going forward 100 years hence, the Philippines will look more like an archipelago of Caribbean-like islands with modern roads and hotels because of the large infusion of tourist dollars, with millions of foreigners working in the commercial bases, their families, home country friends and associates coming to the Philippines to partake of the natural beauty and paradise-like climate found in our islands. There will still be agriculture, but it will be an agriculture that is highly mechanized because the first-world countries that shall lease our commercial bases will likely be willing to invest in food production outside the bases - to feed their workers in the bases as well as to ship back to their home countries. Think of a Philippines that has every small island looking like one of the U.S. Virgin Islands, and every large island like Luzon, Mindanao, Cebu and the Negros islands looking like Singapore. Never mind that the ownership of the factories and businesses in the commercial bases shall belong to foreign entities and countries. The reality will be that every dollar invested in buildings, infrastructure, factory inside the commercial bases will in effect be a dollar of foreign direct investment. The march of globalization will assure that there will be a steady supply of first world countries in both North and South America and Europe that will want to locate factories and some of their operations in a country such as the Philippines, where there is low-cost but highly trained English-speaking labor. Learning the lesson from China, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan, the Philippines can adopt a policy that will put the brakes on wage inflation to assure that foreign countries and corporations continue to enjoy the benefits of relatively low-cost, highly-qualified, uncomplaining English-speaking labor that is willing to work long hours. Christian employees steeped in the tradition and culture of the West. This last point is very important because foreign countries would think twice about locating in Indonesia, Bangladesh and other Muslim countries where there is a realistic possibility that the local population will declare a jihad against the "foreign invaders" who have "desecrated" their Muslim lands. To your point, Danding, it is true that Philippine territory where the country exercises sovereignty will be reduced in size for however long the leases remain in force, but if you believe that the country will continue to exist in perpetuity either as one country or as a confederation, or as a federation of quasi-independent states, what's 100 or so years compared to the life of the Philippines or the lives of the confederated or federated states? Cesar L On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 4:30 AM, Yahoo Account [email protected] [Worldwide-Filipino-Alliance] <[email protected]> wrote: *Vote buying was rampant, from anecdotes I keep getting.* *So massive poverty remains a concern. And bad models.* *Kabataang Barangay pa pa lang, nakahiya na kuno.* On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Manassas Benedict Serrano [email protected] [Worldwide-Filipino-Alliance] < [email protected]> wrote: MAY 9, 2016 ELECTIONS: You go all over the country, Its MONEY, vote-selling and buying. plus good, well created, organized organization, to assess and monitor, also monitor and counter check vote buying and little of propaganda that made CANDIDATES win NOT ACTUALLY good platforms, morality. and promise of good governance THAT IS IN THE LOCAL SCENE..In that national scene, its different, the Filipino voters reflect their TRUE SENTIMENTS THEY WANTED CHANGE but in the meantime Filipino voters received money with open arms and widespread LEGS from LOCAL CANDIDATES WHO GIVE THEM THE HIGHEST BID>>..P1,500 to P3,000 per voter here in Butuan City... And this is very dangerous.. Because if money, MAFIA-like organizations, mudslinging are the basis of winning local polls CORRUPTION down LGU will be worsened... A Challenge FOR PRESIDENT DU30 TO ADDRESS this social malaise or else FAILURE STILL IN BROADER SENSE... still go back sa dating gawi... -- Saguisag & Associates Lawyers 4045 Bigasan Street, Palanan 1235 Makati Office Nos. 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