On 01/11/2015 10:25 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
On 01/11/2015 08:50 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
On 01/11/2015 09:38 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Sun, January 11, 2015 8:29 pm, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
On 01/11/2015 09:24 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
On Sun, January 11, 2015 7:29 pm, Keith Keller wrote:
On 2015-01-12, Valeri Galtsev <galt...@kicp.uchicago.edu> wrote:
PS I guess I just mention it. I'm quite happy about CentOS (or RedHat
if
I
look back). One day I realized how happy I am that I chose RedHat way
back, - that was when all Debian (and its clones like Ubuntu,...)
admins
were fighting with the consequences of this:
http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 . If I had Debian
machine
I
would not only regenerate all key pairs, certs, etc. I would question
sanity of that box then, and will not be certain what confidential
stuff
could have been stolen from it... I realized then that that level big
flop
never happened to RedHat. I couldn't even point to something that
would
constitute big flop RedHat of then. One only criticizes something
while
one cares about it ;-)
Heartbleed was pretty scary, no? I'd consider that at least as bad as
the predictable number generator issue.
Well, heratbleed and shellshock were pretty much global: all systems
(not
only Linuxes, not to say particular Linux distributions - my FreeBSD
boxes
were affected too) using openssl or bash were affected... Same bad, yet
these were not flops of particular distribution, so whichever system
you
decided to stick with , you had these. Not certain about you, but this
kind of makes difference for me. When I say I'm happy about [me
choosing
way back] RedHat heartbleed, no heartbleed, no difference.
Valeri
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I guess everyone will have an opinion of systemd whether it be good or
bad. The only resolution is to either use a distro that has systemd on
it, use a distro that DOESN'T have systemd on it...or build your OWN
distro and don't include systemd! I guess when it all boils down to it,
there's STILL choice.....even when it doesn't seem like there is!
I wouldn't quite agree with you about someone building one's own Linux
distro without systemd. You see, systemd _IS_ in the mainstrem Linux
kernel which you imminently have to use. Having distro with kernel to
that
level not mainstream, so systemd related stuff is stripped off it is
quite
a task. Less that writing one's own kernel and building system based on
it, still...
Valeri
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I am sorry...you're right. I was basing that statement on the devs who
forked Debian to make Devuan. I assumed that they are building a version
of the linux kernel with no systemd in it. (Maybe I'm wrong?....will
have to check out a few articles and find out what's really going on!)
My apologies...once again....
No, you are correct. They would just have to figure out how to do it on
their own in a way that works.
The bottom line is that every bit of the code that is used for CentOS is
released to everyone. One needs to either use what is compiled or be
smart enough to take the source code and make it do what they want.
That can be done .. but it is much easier to bitch about what someone
else is doing that actually do something themselves .. so what you will
see is a bunch whinning all over the Internet and people using whatever
is released .. because the whinners are too lazy to actually work on an
open source project.
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I will admit to being a bit of a whiner when I first came to Linux, and
it was over the massive changes that took place in Gnome 3. it was so
long ago that I can't even remember what I was complaining about,...but
after like a month the issue was "reverted" back, or reinstated, and
I've never complained since then. And the reason I don't complain
anymore?..I had gotten an email response once (will have to dig through
the millions I have to find it!...unless I deleted it..) from a person
who worked on a project, it wasn't the one I had been complaining about
but it was something popular, and he went into great detail as to what
is needed and required of him on a daily basis just to make sure this
project "worked" for the millions of people who would download it. After
reading his story....I will NEVER complain again! These people dedicate
a LOT of their personal time to working on these things and its kinda
unfair to whine about one little feature to them when they've got bugs
to fix....features to improve upon....updates to address and then make
sure its compatible with not only what's current..but what's "older" as
well. So yeah....you guys won't hear a peep out of me regarding
systemd....or anything else for that matter....unless of course its a
valid bug that needs to be dealt with! LoL!
EGO II
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