On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:38 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Craig White <craig.wh...@ttiltd.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> If it is possible to abstract the differences, perhaps you aren't
>>> using all the new features and didn't have to upgrade after all...
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>> I suppose that if you believe that, then you are suffering from a lack of 
>> imagination. I can deploy LDAP authentication setups to either Ubuntu or 
>> CentOS with the various pam, nss, padl files which are vastly different in 
>> no time.
> 
> How well does it handle windows?
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I haven't tried but I gather that at this stage, only a subset of features are 
working on Windows at this point. It does seem that they are committed to the 
platform though and have been adding features with each release.
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> 
>> I'm only expressing the notion that it is entirely possible to get beyond 
>> the paradigm of locked in server installs on iron that takes a lot of effort 
>> to maintain (ie, update/upgrade X number_of_servers). There are some very 
>> sophisticated configuration management system, chef looked good, I chose to 
>> go with puppet and I've been very pleased with the depth and scope of puppet.
> 
> I'm actually very interested in this, but puppet did not look like the
> right architecture.   http://saltstack.org/ might not be quite ready
> for prime time but it looks like a very reasonable design.  The python
> dependencies are probably going going to be painful for cross platform
> installs but at least someone on its mail list has it working on
> windows and there are already epel packages.
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a different type of management system. Puppet & Chef are simply about 
configuration management.

Puppet architecture is pretty awesome - but the puppet master itself can't be a 
stock CentOS 5.x system because ruby 1.8.5 is too ancient. I suppose you can 
use Karanbir's ruby-1.8.7 packages (or better yet, enterprise ruby packages) if 
you insist on running the server on CentOS 5.x. The thing about puppet is that 
the barrier to entry is rather high - it takes some time before you get to 
something useful whereas Chef is more adept at putting other people's recipes 
into service fairly quickly. Then again, you will run into barriers with Chef 
that don't exist with puppet so it seemed that the ramp up investment had long 
term benefits.

Craig
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