This is more the sentiment that I was hoping to convey.

Sure, I have my finger on the pulse of the mailing list and the packages coming 
down the pipe, but assuming that everyone does and/or will is not a safe 
assumption.
At the minimum, publishing the versioned repos at $repourl/debian-16.2.14 but 
not cutting the symlink over for  $repourl/debian-pacific until “ready” seems 
like a very easy and useful release process improvement to prevent these 
specific issues going forward.

Likewise, $repourl/rpm-pacific is already pointing to $repourl/rpm-16.2.14 as 
well, so its not a debian specific issue, albeit it looks like there were no 
issues with missing packages on el8.
But the packages were still “pre-released” before we are supposed to use them.

Anything making it to $repourl/{deb,rpm}-$named_release should be “safe.”
Because the documentation 
<https://docs.ceph.com/en/pacific/install/get-packages/#configure-repositories-manually>
 uses the named repos, as it should, and right now the documentation is 
effectively broken.

> ubuntu@mini-pacific:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ceph.list ; sudo apt 
> update | grep ceph ; sudo apt install ceph ceph-osd ceph-mon ceph-mgr
> deb https://download.ceph.com/debian-pacific/ focal main
> 
> WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in 
> scripts.
> 
> Hit:5 https://download.ceph.com/debian-pacific focal InRelease
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.
> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
> 
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  ceph-mgr : Depends: ceph-base (= 15.2.17-0ubuntu0.20.04.4) but it is not 
> going to be installed
>  ceph-mon : Depends: ceph-base (= 15.2.17-0ubuntu0.20.04.4) but it is not 
> going to be installed
>  ceph-osd : PreDepends: ceph-common (= 15.2.17-0ubuntu0.20.04.4) but it is 
> not going to be installed
>             Depends: ceph-base (= 15.2.17-0ubuntu0.20.04.4) but it is not 
> going to be installed
> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

Reed

> On Aug 30, 2023, at 11:33 AM, Burkhard Linke 
> <burkhard.li...@computational.bio.uni-giessen.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 8/30/23 18:26, Yuri Weinstein wrote:
>> 16.2.14 has not been released yet.
>> 
>> Please don't do any upgrades before we send an announcement email.
> 
> 
> Then stop pushing packets before the announcement. This is not the first time 
> this problem occurred. And given your answer I'm afraid it won't be the last 
> time.
> 
> It can't be that hard to coordinate releases.....
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Burkhard
> 
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