interesting distinction between humane and humanism. But I don't think that Camus was any less humanist just because he talked about community. Look at Les mains sales. (Sorry to keep throwing in titles in French but the titles don't always translate directly and these are the ones whose translation I am not sure of. This one is a play whose title translates as Dirty Hands.)
The resistance fighter in this play -- would you really want to know him? He says he has the integrity to act upon his beliefs and to dirty his hands if necessary, but isn't this what all resistance fighters say? The IRA, the Palestinians? Electra in The Flies was still a killer. Dana On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:10:01 -0500, Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dana wrote: > > Interesting. I got into that particular theme because my professor > > said that Sartre was a humanist while Camus was not. I came to see > > that she was looking at La chute (The Fall?) and The Flies whereas I > > was looking at Nausea and The Plague. But still. Sartre strikes me as > > being very coldly intellectual overall. A lot of his characters are > > Resistance fighters though, which may account for it. (Les mains > > sales.-Dirty Hands?) > > > > Kobo Abe? Tell me more. > > > > Dana > > > > I agree with you on your assement of Sartre. Remember, everything worth > mentioning about both these men is in realtionship to their WW2 > experience. Both men were part of the Resistance. After all was said > and done, Sartre, like many of his Frenchmen, were clamoring for the > heads of German soliders. Camus had the strength to rise up and > denounce such actions. He argued that the French would be no better > then the Germans if they continued the violence. > > Sartre had this weird sense of logic. While many believe EX to be > giving into the hopelessness/no control/meaningless-ness of life, he > found it to be very encouraging and hope-giving. Sartre is the more > humanist. He belives that man is power and he doesn't need outside > forces to give man reason and meaning. Humanist, as a literay > definition is to believe in the ability of man. It is the prime reason > why I enjoy his works. But Camus himself was a better practicer of > humane habits. He had the grace to accept a Nobel Prize while Sartre, > God bless his convictions, rejected his. > > Most basic english teachers will try to teach Abe as the Japanese Kafka. > Huge mistake. He recently died. I've heard all these little theories > and ideas about his writing. Nothing substantial enough to pass along > on a public forum though. Basically his book is a modern touch up of EX > ideas. His writing style in Women in the Dunes is very minimal. Just > the way I like it. > > -- > 2004 - The year $184M couldn't buy a pennant. > > Ron Artest: Extremely flawed, very accidental, semi-martyr > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:139874 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
