Always Look on the Bright Side of Life? -----Original Message----- From: Won Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 December 2004 15:41 To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Thump thump
I know the end song should be running through my head right now but I can't remember it. I remember the melody and the gist of it. But for the life of brian, I can't remember the actualy lyrics. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.807 / Virus Database: 549 - Release Date: 07/12/2004 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:139408 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 From jeff Fri Dec 10 15:41:32 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Fri Dec 10 07:41:32 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@mail-archive.com Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:41:32 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx120.postini.com ([64.18.0.34] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ccmtg-0000xf-00 for <archive@mail-archive.com>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:41:32 -0800 Received: from source ([64.118.64.245]) by exprod5mx120.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:43:59 EST Received: from LOCALHOST by LOCALHOST with ESMTP id 14A7B548A7B90E46869D0517A65A754E Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:45:37 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:43:27 -0000 From: "Wayne Putterill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Precedence: bulk References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Thump thump To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-pstn-levels: (S:98.48802/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.5022 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> forward (good recip) [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no version=2.64 Always Look on the Bright Side of Life? -----Original Message----- From: Won Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 December 2004 15:41 To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Thump thump I know the end song should be running through my head right now but I can't remember it. I remember the melody and the gist of it. But for the life of brian, I can't remember the actualy lyrics. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.807 / Virus Database: 549 - Release Date: 07/12/2004 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:139408 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 From jeff Fri Dec 10 15:41:33 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Fri Dec 10 07:41:33 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@jab.org Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:41:33 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx11.postini.com ([64.18.0.151] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ccmth-0000xh-00 for <archive@jab.org>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:41:33 -0800 Received: from source ([64.62.197.83]) by exprod5mx11.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:44:00 PST X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re:[wdvltalk] OT Code in pages vs Code behind pages. Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:42:18 -0700 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: OT Code in pages vs Code behind pages. Thread-Index: AcTeztpNFHm0mmqTQNKvT1Mo1NIHNQ== From: "Furry, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2004 15:42:29.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB008490:01C4DECE] List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S: 1.73137/99.02332 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=2.64 Cheryl wrote: Its biggest advantage as far as I'm concerned is that if you have a designer and developer working together the designer doesn't have to even see much less be able to mess up the code when working on the page. Scott wrote: Hmm, OK. Wondered about that. I've got VS.NET 2003, but due to exigencies of current projects, etc. haven't explored it. So, basically, it's analogous to embedded javascript versus linked javascript, except that the external reference is made inline instead of in the <head>? Tim adds: Cheryl's point about separation of tasks is one pushed by Microsoft, but I think it's probably a rare instance where developers aren't putting in the design elements themselves (i.e. probably only a really big company might have separation of tasks). Scott, your analogy is very close - with the usually overlooked but important aspect that the "linked" code is *strictly* code (the code-behind page, no HTML), and thus can be (and is) compiled, with all the usual relevant goodies available (strong typing, compile-time checking, debugging, speed, etc.). That being said, I haven't really used .NET much yet other than simple playing around, and being a Notepad webbie guy from way back, still find it very difficult to think of web pages and sites in an object-oriented way. OOP makes perfect sense for a Windows app - it runs and runs and keeps running until the job is done. Web apps are different - post, push, done; post, push, done - there's no real application continuity (and that's the way it's supposed to be). I think in general .NET for webs ties the browser to the server much more tightly (i.e. onClicks hit the server) and I'm not convinced that's a good thing. I've worked on one web app here at my new job where a former programmer wanted to move the focus from a select box to a text box after a selection was made - and ended up putting in a crazy freebie .NET page of code that hits the server and reloads the page, rather than using just a line or two of JavaScript on the client side to move the focus. 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From jeff Fri Dec 10 15:41:35 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Fri Dec 10 07:41:35 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@jab.org Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:41:35 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx49.postini.com ([64.18.0.216] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ccmti-0000y6-00 for <archive@jab.org>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:41:34 -0800 Received: from source ([130.57.169.17]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5mx49.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:44:03 ESTEDT Received: from headcheese.ximian.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.ximian.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0B9124ED5; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by lists.ximian.com (Postfix, from userid 38) id 6010D124205; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from lists.samba.org (dp.samba.org [66.70.73.150]) by lists.ximian.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F465124039 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:13:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by lists.samba.org (Postfix, from userid 549) id D75CB162BD5; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:13:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Jeremy Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Not Zed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Kenneth MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve French <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Evolution-hackers] Re: [linux-cifs-client] cifs mounted home directory problems Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Jeremy Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: People writing code for Evolution <evolution-hackers.lists.ximian.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/evolution-hackers/> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:13:49 -0800 X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 09:15:51AM +0800, Not Zed wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 22:31 +0000, Kenneth MacDonald wrote: > > > I'm Cc'ing this to the evolution-hackers list in case anyone thinks this > > is important enough from the application side. > > Well my initial reaction is "not really". An application using a > filesystem has to rely on a certain set of semantics, and i believe > we're just relying on what a posixish filesystem should provide. > Otherwise we're going to have to use lowest common demoninator - e.g. > 8.3 dos filenames with no permissions. That sounds practical to me! > > It isn't something that can very usefully be made a configure switch > since it is part of the run-time environment. If you just want to patch > it yourself you can safely make e_filename_make_safe substitute any > other characters you want. Changing it in the main codebase is trickier > since it affects finding existing state files in users installed > environments, and i don't really want to have to add all this ugly > workaround/fallback code for this. > > Are colons the only character winblows uses itself? What about multiple > full stops? etc. You know, I can probably fix this in the smbd server code by detecting a UNIX client and relaxing the "invalid character" checks for things like : etc. Here is the current list of invalid characters we check for Windows clients. *\\/?<>|\": and here are the reserved names we disallow for Windows clients "AUX", "LOCK$", "CON", "COM1", "COM2", "COM3", "COM4", "LPT1", "LPT2", "LPT3", "NUL", "PRN" So for a Linux client I can relax this significantly... Jeremy. _______________________________________________ evolution-hackers maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers From jeff Fri Dec 10 15:41:35 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Fri Dec 10 07:41:35 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@jab.org Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:41:35 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx29.postini.com ([64.18.0.184] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ccmtj-0000yA-00 for <archive@jab.org>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:41:35 -0800 Received: from source ([209.237.227.199]) by exprod5mx29.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:44:04 PST Received: (qmail 70570 invoked by uid 500); 10 Dec 2004 15:43:13 -0000 Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> list-post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 70503 invoked by uid 99); 10 Dec 2004 15:43:12 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from ajax-1.apache.org (HELO ajax.apache.org) (192.87.106.226) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:43:11 -0800 Received: from ajax.apache.org (ajax.apache.org [127.0.0.1]) by ajax.apache.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBAFh8FV014469 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:43:08 +0100 Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by ajax.apache.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iBAFh8Xr014467; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:43:08 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:43:08 +0100 Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DO NOT REPLY [Bug 32491] - POST method in cinclude:includexml is broken X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.0750) GT3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.64 DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL, BUT PLEASE POST YOUR BUG· RELATED COMMENTS THROUGH THE WEB INTERFACE AVAILABLE AT <http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=32491>. 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From jeff Fri Dec 10 15:41:36 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Fri Dec 10 07:41:36 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@mail-archive.com Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:41:36 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx21.postini.com ([64.18.0.136] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ccmtk-0000y8-00 for <archive@mail-archive.com>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:41:36 -0800 Received: from source ([216.185.225.74]) by exprod5mx21.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:44:03 PST Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:44:05 -0600 To: "Baha'i Studies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Mark A. Foster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: No "Personal Opinions" in Ruhi In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] st.jccc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Seen-By: ns-mail01 X-PMX-Version: 4.7.0.111621, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.2.0, Antispam-Data: 2004.12.9.36 List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Owner: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Host: Johnson County Community College <http://list.jccc.net/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?site=jccc> Reply-To: "Baha'i Studies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:71.54563/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 Hi, Dick, At 09:14 AM 12/10/2004, you wrote: >>On the one hand you say: >>I would be interested in the demographics of long-term Ruhi participation and >>how it correlates with the general Baha'i populations in different areas. My >>"guess* would is that we would see a negative correlation between >>participation and SES (socioeconomic status).<< >>And then you say: >>Prejudice refers to prejudging based on stereotypes. In my case, I >>intentionally kept an open mind before going to my first Ruhi meeting.<< >>Seems a tad hypocritical to me but that is just my take on this whole >>exchange.<< I don't believe so. If so, social scientists exercise hypocrisy whenever they formulate hypotheses. On the one hand, you attempt to "bracket' any personally held stereotypes (emotional generalizations). On the other, you make a prediction (hypothesis) about about possible relationships between variables. The two are not inconsistent. >>Anyway, I am a bit surprised at the consistent negativity towards Ruhi even >>though the House has over and over made it plain it has no intentions of >>forcing exclusivity to any form of deepening/teaching/studying. If you don't >>want to participate, fine.<< What if an NSA makes homefront pioneering goals contingent on conducting Ruhi classes? That sounds pretty exclusive to me. >>Who is forcing this on you? if there are people who are really taken with it >>and even NSA's who want to focus on it - is that affecting your own spiritual >>journey? Are they forcing you to participate?<< There are different types of pressure. >>Isn't the Faith big enough to overcome such mistakes? I sure hope so. If >>the Faith is what it means to be it better.<< I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise. >>Someone mentioned their objection to Ruhi being that it doesn't address the >>needs of the educated, well off westerners. OK, great. So develop something >>you think will. Surely you don't think the House of Justice would object to >>that do you? If they do, then I for one know this isn't the Baha'i Faith it >>used to be. But I'd have a hard time believing they'd get in the way.<< Eventually, I will get around to doing so. I had promised to start a list on this subject, but other things have taken my time. However, at least in the short term, Ruhi will be the only game in town (at least in the U.S.). >>I mean, why is it so important to put down the efforts of obviously sincere >>and motivated individuals in a process that is at the worst a way of learning >>that doesn't fit your own particular style of learning and at the best, has >>been a positive influence in some communities around the world?<< I can't speak to the rest of the world, but I do not see much in the way of positive influence, at least as I would define it, in the U.S. Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net "Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger" -- Abbie Hoffman __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu From jeff Fri Dec 10 15:41:40 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Fri Dec 10 07:41:40 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@jab.org Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:41:40 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx16.postini.com ([64.18.0.156] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ccmto-0000yg-00 for <archive@jab.org>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:41:40 -0800 Received: from source ([130.57.169.17]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5mx16.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:44:09 EST Received: from headcheese.ximian.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.ximian.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5B0124EDF; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by lists.ximian.com (Postfix, from userid 38) id 939C61247DB; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:16:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from lists.samba.org (dp.samba.org [66.70.73.150]) by lists.ximian.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7F41247A1 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by lists.samba.org (Postfix, from userid 549) id F1341162C1F; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:16:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Jeremy Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Jeremy Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Not Zed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kenneth MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve French <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Evolution-hackers] Re: [linux-cifs-client] cifs mounted home directory problems Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Jeremy Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: People writing code for Evolution <evolution-hackers.lists.ximian.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/evolution-hackers/> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:16:09 -0800 X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 06:13:49PM -0800, Jeremy Allison wrote: > > You know, I can probably fix this in the smbd server code by detecting > a UNIX client and relaxing the "invalid character" checks for things > like : etc. > > Here is the current list of invalid characters we check for Windows > clients. > > *\\/?<>|\": > > and here are the reserved names we disallow for Windows clients > > "AUX", "LOCK$", "CON", "COM1", "COM2", "COM3", "COM4", > "LPT1", "LPT2", "LPT3", "NUL", "PRN" > > So for a Linux client I can relax this significantly... Also there is one more case, which Windows uses to open access to a secondary stream within a file (the multiple data streams per file stuff), that is a filename containing the characters ::$ in sequence - the stream name follows. 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No - it'll only allow that for clients identified as UNIX. We already do something similar to give default case sensitive operation for UNIX clients. > Not going to help real windows based backends though. Yes, that needs a client side fix. > While you're here, slightly OT, I noticed when using smbmount that > seek(0, END) failed on that filesystem (it was from some netware box i > think). Is that the server end? Is smbmount the way this is done? > Should all the 'normal' filesystem calls/semantics work on such a > filesystem, e.g. things like files existing after they're unlinked if > they're still open, etc. It depends on the client you're using (smbfs or cifsfs) - each does different things (although cifsfs is more modern these days). Jeremy. _______________________________________________ evolution-hackers maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers From jeff Fri Dec 10 15:41:50 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Fri Dec 10 07:41:50 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@jab.org Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:41:50 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx56.postini.com ([64.18.0.236] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ccmty-0000yx-00 for <archive@jab.org>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:41:50 -0800 Received: from source ([128.121.220.147]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5mx56.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:44:15 MST Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by imagicomm.com (8.12.11/8.11.2) with SMTP id iBAFhX4J011983; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by imagicomm.com (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:43:33 -0800 Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by imagicomm.com (8.12.11/8.11.2) id iBAFhW0b011961 for pcworks-aO0MpYH2mMdkE; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:43:32 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: imagicomm.com: imagicom set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by imagicomm.com (8.12.11/8.11.2) with ESMTP id iBAFhUCY011939 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.32] (dhcp9588080.columbus.rr.com [24.95.88.80]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iBAFh6wZ028153 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:43:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:43:22 -0500 From: Keith Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PCWorks: New laptop hard drive installation. References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:79.27053/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 I have a Toshiba bottom end laptop that I bought almost two years ago. I recently upgraded to a 40 gig hard drive. The easiest way is to buy an external housing with a usb connection, place the new drive in it, then use TrueImage or similar to replicate the current drive on the new. With true image, I could choose if I wanted to partition or not (I did not) and it was a simple (but long) process to make an image on the new drive. No rereg or any of that with XP. Then I just swapped drives and now have a 20 gig external for the laptop and a 40 internal. It was well worth the $30 or so for the external housing. I found that the NexStar from Zipzoomfly does a great job and the firmware works with instant recognition by the USB (I have had problems with other enclosures self-starting). You can look at the enclosure at http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=142414 (I have no connection to this company, but have had very good service from them and am satisfied with all contacts.) Keith Thompson Jeff Dougherty wrote: >I just got a larger hard drive for my laptop and wondered what all is involved >in adding it. >I would like to swap from the existing one once in a while until I get all the >files transferred. >1. Can I plug in the new HD and insert the Dell installation disk(This is a >Dell Inspiron 2600). >2. When needed, can I install the original one to copy files to my external >hard drive? >Any special configuration I need to know? >Dell has not been much help when I have asked about upgrading... >This thing had one 64M of RAM mounted under the keyboard that was mentioned in >the specs as not being >accessible by the consumer..but it's the same as the one under the bottom of >the unit, so I ordered a 256 >stick to stick in there. >Thank you. >Jeff >-- > > > -- Keith Thompson, Worthington, OH Home Web Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~kthompson/ Genealogy Web Page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kthompson The only thing worse than a sorcerer is his apprentice. ============= PCWorks Mailing List ================= Don't see your post? Check our posting guidelines & make sure you've followed proper posting procedures, http://pcworkers.com/rules.htm Contact list owner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Unsubscribing and other changes: http://pcworkers.com ===================================================== From jeff Fri Dec 10 15:41:56 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Fri Dec 10 07:41:56 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@jab.org Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:41:56 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx126.postini.com ([64.18.0.40] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ccmu4-0000zP-00 for <archive@jab.org>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:41:56 -0800 Received: from source ([209.237.227.199]) by exprod5mx126.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:44:27 PST Received: (qmail 41785 invoked by uid 500); 10 Dec 2004 15:33:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: "Jakarta Commons Users List" <commons-user.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Jakarta Commons Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 41764 invoked by uid 99); 10 Dec 2004 15:33:41 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from smtp4.clb.oleane.net (HELO smtp4.clb.oleane.net) (213.56.31.20) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:33:39 -0800 Received: from NODULIX ([81.80.231.9]) (authenticated) by smtp4.clb.oleane.net with ESMTP id iBAFXWuZ031222 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:33:33 +0100 From: "Guillaume Nodet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jakarta Commons Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [modeler] explanations Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:33:43 +0100 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-pstn-levels: (S:95.20582/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.0750) GT3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 I'm trying to use commons-modeler. I'd like to have explanations on how to use it. * what it the best way to create a MBean: - create a class derived from BasicModelMBean, or - create a class wrapping my resource and use default BasicModelMBean * how can i remove the "modelerType" attribute that is published with my beans Regards, Guillaume Nodet --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From jeff Fri Dec 10 15:42:00 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Fri Dec 10 07:42:00 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@jab.org Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:42:00 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx83.postini.com ([64.18.0.71] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ccmu8-0000zc-00 for <archive@jab.org>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:42:00 -0800 Received: from source ([209.237.227.199]) by exprod5mx83.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:44:30 EST Received: (qmail 75542 invoked by uid 500); 10 Dec 2004 15:44:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: "Jetspeed Users List" <jetspeed-user.jakarta.apache.org> Reply-To: "Jetspeed Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 75503 invoked by uid 99); 10 Dec 2004 15:44:18 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from mx02.cexp.com (HELO mx02.cexp.com) (170.131.136.83) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:44:16 -0800 Received: from mailgate2.cexp.com (uscobrmfa-se-07.cexp.com [170.131.144.37]) by mx02.cexp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC86239019 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:44:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by uscobrmfa-se-02.cexp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <YMZBXRTA>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:43:00 -0700 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Adding new portlet [J 1.5] Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:42:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.0750) GT3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.64 look into this class jetspeed-1.5\src\java\org\apache\jetspeed\modules\actions\portlets\browser\D atabaseBrowserAction.java This is the action class for the db browser portlet. It should help you. Andy -----Original Message----- From: lahsen abouenour [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 3:33 AM To: Jetspeed Users List Subject: Adding new portlet [J 1.5] Hi, In witch directory can i find the source of portlets. What i want to do is to write portlet that retrive data from Oracle DB and display them to users within the portlet. So i want to change source of portlet that retrive from database (such as stock portfolio). Any help please .. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From jeff Fri Dec 10 15:42:01 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Fri Dec 10 07:42:01 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@mail-archive.com Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:42:01 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx60.postini.com ([64.18.0.240] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ccmu9-0000zY-00 for <archive@mail-archive.com>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:42:01 -0800 Received: from source ([64.118.64.245]) by exprod5mx60.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:44:27 ESTEDT Received: from LOCALHOST by LOCALHOST with ESMTP id 057B6736DC2CBC40B95889969123F907 Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:46:07 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:44:02 -0500 From: Tony Weeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Precedence: bulk References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Need Feedback on website To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-pstn-levels: (S:86.50835/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.5022 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> forward (good recip) [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 nice word. tinge. you're so metro michael.... tw On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:18:38 -0500, Tangorre, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the outlines look nice but I wouldn't use white... I'd use a > white with a blue tinge... > > Michael T. Tangorre > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 10:15 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Need Feedback on website > > > > seeing it side by side, i dont mind the lack of white lines, > > although i think the white lines really accentuate the > > various section of the site, whereas the lack of white lines > > do not... imho > > > > tw > > > > > > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:19:34 -0400, Angel Stewart > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, we made the change in Photoshop. > > > I really don't like it. So I placed the two sites side by > > side for them to compare and contrast. > > > > > > Final decision is their own, but if we have to go back and re-edit > > > this, then I'm switching our flat rate price for the > > re-design job to > > > an hourly rate, taking into account work already done. > > > That should at least give us a bit of compensation here ^_^ > > > > > > I really felt a bit lost when I realised they didn't like > > the design > > > as much as we did :-| I guess that's a common and usual emotional > > > reaction...or are you not supposed to get 'attached' to > > this type of work :) But yeah, at the end of the day it is their site. > > > > > > http://www.macomag.com/two-designs-contrasted.jpg > > > > > > -Gel > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > +10 > > > > > > i NEVER accept that answer. show me the money!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > however, like i said the other day Gel, i like the site > > alot...great design... > > > > > > now, thats great and all, but if they want the change, its > > their baby, > > > make it like they want it, but let them know there will be > > charges, if > > > they want anything past this :) > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:139409 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 From jeff Fri Dec 10 15:42:01 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Fri Dec 10 07:42:00 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@jab.org Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:42:01 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx124.postini.com ([64.18.0.38] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ccmu8-0000za-00 for <archive@jab.org>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:42:00 -0800 Received: from source ([64.118.64.245]) by exprod5mx124.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:44:27 PST Received: from LOCALHOST by LOCALHOST with ESMTP id 057B6736DC2CBC40B95889969123F907 Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:46:07 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:44:02 -0500 From: Tony Weeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Precedence: bulk References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Need Feedback on website To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-pstn-levels: (S:86.25298/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.5022 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> forward (good recip) [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no version=2.64 nice word. tinge. you're so metro michael.... tw On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:18:38 -0500, Tangorre, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the outlines look nice but I wouldn't use white... I'd use a > white with a blue tinge... > > Michael T. Tangorre > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 10:15 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Need Feedback on website > > > > seeing it side by side, i dont mind the lack of white lines, > > although i think the white lines really accentuate the > > various section of the site, whereas the lack of white lines > > do not... imho > > > > tw > > > > > > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:19:34 -0400, Angel Stewart > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, we made the change in Photoshop. > > > I really don't like it. So I placed the two sites side by > > side for them to compare and contrast. > > > > > > Final decision is their own, but if we have to go back and re-edit > > > this, then I'm switching our flat rate price for the > > re-design job to > > > an hourly rate, taking into account work already done. > > > That should at least give us a bit of compensation here ^_^ > > > > > > I really felt a bit lost when I realised they didn't like > > the design > > > as much as we did :-| I guess that's a common and usual emotional > > > reaction...or are you not supposed to get 'attached' to > > this type of work :) But yeah, at the end of the day it is their site. > > > > > > http://www.macomag.com/two-designs-contrasted.jpg > > > > > > -Gel > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > +10 > > > > > > i NEVER accept that answer. show me the money!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > however, like i said the other day Gel, i like the site > > alot...great design... > > > > > > now, thats great and all, but if they want the change, its > > their baby, > > > make it like they want it, but let them know there will be > > charges, if > > > they want anything past this :) > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:139409 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 From jeff Fri Dec 10 15:42:06 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Fri Dec 10 07:42:06 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@mail-archive.com Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:42:06 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx92.postini.com ([64.18.0.80] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CcmuE-000101-00 for <archive@mail-archive.com>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:42:06 -0800 Received: from source ([146.246.248.81]) by exprod5mx92.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:44:33 EST Received: from openib.ca.sandia.gov (openib.ca.sandia.gov [146.246.248.81]) by openib.ca.sandia.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800482283D9; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:27:42 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by openib.ca.sandia.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5F12283D6 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:27:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from e2az0 (h00095b0697b5.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.177.14]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004121015121401200in8u8e>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:12:17 +0000 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Hal Rosenstock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [openib-general] [PATCH] remove add_mad_reg_req function Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:11:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Cc: openib-general <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: OpenIB General Mailing List <openib-general.openib.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://openib.org/mailman/listinfo/openib-general>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://openib.org/pipermail/openib-general> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://openib.org/mailman/listinfo/openib-general>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0615145343==" Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:67.58720/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.5022 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=2.64 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0615145343== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005C_01C4DEA0.8ED565A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C4DEA0.8ED565A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks. Applied with the minor addition of forward declarations for = add_oui/nonoui_reg_req. -- Hal ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C4DEA0.8ED565A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks. Applied with the minor addition = of forward=20 declarations for add_oui/nonoui_reg_req.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-- Hal</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C4DEA0.8ED565A0-- --===============0615145343== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ openib-general mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openib.org/mailman/listinfo/openib-general To unsubscribe, please visit http://openib.org/mailman/listinfo/openib-general --===============0615145343==-- From jeff Fri Dec 10 15:42:08 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Fri Dec 10 07:42:08 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@mail-archive.com Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:42:08 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx120.postini.com ([64.18.0.34] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CcmuG-00010A-00 for <archive@mail-archive.com>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:42:08 -0800 Received: from source ([209.239.33.40]) by exprod5mx120.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:44:38 EST Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by host24.websitesource.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) id iBAFNFk4007335 for archive@mail-archive.com; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:23:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:20:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: host24.websitesource.com: dbrewer set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:20:17 +0100 From: Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: *istD auto focus woes References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 132.150.145.18 Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archive/latest/134013 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:71.15296/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.1034 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 Mine behaves a bit like that too. I wouldn't say it's out of focus, but rather that the selected distance is at the back of the in-focus range. Mileages vary of course. In my experience it's more pronounced with longer lenses, and virtually nonexistent with eg. 31/1.8 ltd. Jostein Quoting Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Every shot I take using auto focus is a little soft, regardless of the > lens I use. It would seem the focus point is confused. Its not that the > whole image is out of focus, simply the focal plane, with objects in > the fore ground being in focus and the object that I have focused on > is soft. This is most notable with faster lenses, eg: 2.8 or 1.4 > Is there a cure for this or is it a trip to the repair shop with it? > > Kind regards > Kevin > > -- > "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. > Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From jeff Fri Dec 10 15:42:19 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Fri Dec 10 07:42:19 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@jab.org Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:42:19 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx117.postini.com ([64.18.0.89] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CcmuR-00010J-00 for <archive@jab.org>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:42:19 -0800 Received: from source ([130.57.169.17]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5mx117.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:44:49 CST Received: from headcheese.ximian.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.ximian.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02AB6124EE7; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:44:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by lists.ximian.com (Postfix, from userid 38) id 83463124494; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by lists.ximian.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660151244F9 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from root by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CcUmX-0002tr-00 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 21:20:57 +0100 Received: from pd9e5f4e1.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.229.244.225]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 21:20:57 +0100 Received: from fionn by pd9e5f4e1.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 21:20:57 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Fionn Behrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: United Fools of Bugaloo Lines: 58 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-yNjyfvvuVyKEbocnXQ+t" X-Complaints-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9e5f4e1.dip.t-dialin.net X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 Subject: [Evolution] Evolution Memory use Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Evolution users mailing list. <evolution.lists.ximian.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/evolution/> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 21:03:04 +0100 X-pstn-levels: (S:63.45032/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB autolearn=ham version=2.64 --=-yNjyfvvuVyKEbocnXQ+t Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, after having found out that Evolution now reads news too, I decided to give the whole thing a try and imported all my Contacts (700+), began to use the calendar and configured about 2 dozen newsgroups. 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Guys, what-in-the-universe are you doing with such huge amounts of memory and what do you suggest can I do to tune that down at least a little? br, Fionn P.S.: I use 2.0.2 from debian --=20 Software patents - not allowed in Europe | See whats going on: Archiving Email - patented in Europe | http://freepatents.org/ E-Shopping Baskets - patented in Europe | Become active easily: Cross-compiling - patented in Europe | http://aktiv.ffii.org/eubsa/= en --=-yNjyfvvuVyKEbocnXQ+t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBuK94jkvYSI4bFywRAm8VAJ0ScPabHgpM4Iqr/aIQgAFWZt2lxQCfd/ub rrdlgHkm2KHIBSkPbtdpxLM= =Mk3D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-yNjyfvvuVyKEbocnXQ+t-- _______________________________________________ evolution maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/evolution From jeff Fri Dec 10 15:42:24 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Fri Dec 10 07:42:24 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@jab.org Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:42:24 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx31.postini.com ([64.18.0.186] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CcmuW-00010W-00 for <archive@jab.org>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:42:24 -0800 Received: from source ([66.94.237.37]) by exprod5mx31.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:44:52 MST Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 15:44:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.28] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2004 15:44:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 47788 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2004 15:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2004 15:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.198.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2004 15:44:52 -0000 Received: from HP (pcp01479514pcs.ncstl01.de.comcast.net[68.82.72.221]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004121015441401500s189ve>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:44:14 +0000 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.198.39 From: "aqua-trollz R us" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Yahoo-Profile: simtechbob MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:44:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [old-chevy-truck] Starter rebuild Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.5022 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 Agree, and I love the challenge of being on a hill in a city w/o an E-Brake, doing a brake and clutch with the left and pumping gas and working the starter with the right. It's better on rainy days with slippery shoes. You also have more control with the foot pedal when you need to bump the motor a tad or move the truck a few inches. When ever driving and I hear, "what is that for," it is usually followed by the sound of good medal being removed from the flywheel. Quite a conversation starter. One stray foot hitting that pedal and a lifetime of respect is immediately instilled into a person who will wonder why I never take them for a putt-about anymore. I know there are experts, but the average thug will jack the ignition or jumper those wires that scream "steal me" and look at his co-pilot and say, W.T.F ...over? Heard a mid 90's story of 2 borrowers who jumped the ignition but could not start it, so his buddy crawled under with a screwdriver looking for the solenoid when perp#1 asked " what is that for?" Needless to say, perp #2 was still at the scene when the owner came out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowery, Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:15 AM Subject: RE: [old-chevy-truck] Starter rebuild > > Convert from foot pedal? Why? Foot pedal is one of my favorite features. > I'm often asked, what is that for? > > Jim R. Lowery, > 1952 Chevy 1/2 ton, Deluxe cab > Abilene, Texas > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:00 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [old-chevy-truck] Starter rebuild > > > > > > -------------- Original message from Will Nelle > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -------------- > > I wanted to rebuild my own also but the parts that lmc sells are not for a > 235 S6 but i did get a local guy in town to rebuild it and convert it to a > solenoid (no more foot pedal) for $79 >> >> I am wanting to rebuild my own starter, but am having problems finding >> some of >> the parts. I have found a catalog (LMC I believe) that carries the drive, >> bushings and brushes, but not the lever arms and springs that carry the >> brushes, >> which is what I need most. Is anyone aware of a supplier carrying those >> parts >> (lever arms and springs for carrying the brushes -or heck, the whole back >> plate >> for that matter)? >> >> Will Nelle >> Longview, TX >> 51 & 53 Chevy 3600 >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! >> >> To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), >> to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! > > To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! > > To unsubscribe, send an email (with no subject, no body, just the email), > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Ole Chevy and GMC trucks rule! 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