The tube was not removed. An activist judge......er....wait.........a god-fearing, upstanding, judge........ordered a stay until mid march immediately after the previous stay had expired.
> My question is - if the feeding tube has been removed, why isn't she > dead yet? I thought it only took a few days. Oh wait, I suppose > they're giving her IV fluids....it's a few days for fluids...longer > for food. > > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:18:08 -0700, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> yes Larry, I know you have. I have read them. They don't say what you >> say they say is what I am saying. But we have already been through >> this --- remember? you, me and Sam -- and I don't think any of us is >> going to change our minds. >> >> Dana >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:12:56 -0500, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > Dana, I've provided the refs several times. Terry Shaivo has been >> > diagnosed as fbeing in a Persistent Vegitative State, the BMS and AMA >> > have very specific prognosis - after 3-6 months (US) or 1 year >> > (england) the chances of recovering from this condition is nill. >> > Moreover any basic neuropsych book will describe PVS and changes to >> > the cortex that occur. I'm not going to give you any cites on this >> > since its such a basic finding. Terri Shaivo first went into a PVS >> > over 15 years ago with significant brain damage - its become much >> > worse since. There is no recovery from this. >> > >> > larry >> > >> > >> > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:44:52 -0700, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > So you keep saying. But the links you put up as evidence don't >> > > actually say that. They say that family members often have the best >> > > notion of what is going on. Actually. As for medical consensus. >> > > Medical consensus says I should probably be pulling a little >> > > cannister >> > > of oxygen around with me. After almost a year of heavy-duty >> > > allopathic >> > > medecine, let me tell you, it's the best doctors who are the least >> > > certain. >> > > >> > > Dana >> > > >> > > >> > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:07:45 -0500, Larry C. Lyons >> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > > What chance? All that is Ms Shaivo was lost. What makes us, us is >> > > > mostly the cerebral cortex. According to court testimony and >> > > > outside >> > > > interviews, the medical consensus is that this part of the brain >> > > > has >> > > > mostly died off and atrophied with Ms. Shaivo. All that is left is >> > > > the >> > > > lower functioning parts of the brain. >> > > > >> > > > larry >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:15:07 -0700, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > exactly. And after going through the literature line by line with >> > > > > Larr, I still think she has a chance that nobody has let her try >> > > > > yet... >> > > > > >> > > > > Dana >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:57:05 -0600, Gruss Gott >> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > > > > > Dana wrote: >> > > > > > > nnnnoooo, I don't think so. I am simply trying to put myself >> > > > > > > in her >> > > > > > > place. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Just curious, but what do you think her place is? At a minimum >> > > > > > she's >> > > > > > massively brain damaged and whoever she was is most likely gone >> > > > > > forever. What's there today is just the empty container that >> > > > > > used to >> > > > > > hold her. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I guess we'd all hold out hope that if we were in her position >> > > > > > some >> > > > > > new therapy would come along and restore us as if we'd been in >> > > > > > a coma. >> > > > > > Sadly though, she's not in a coma so we have a good gauge of >> > > > > > where >> > > > > > she's at. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > In all probability there's no therapy that could ever restore >> > > > > > her if >> > > > > > the cells that held the "her" encoding have died. That means >> > > > > > that Ms. >> > > > > > Schiavo passed away 15 years ago and the question today is what >> > > > > > do we >> > > > > > do with this new person? >> > > > > > >> > > > > > From this perspective, oddly, Terri, although gone, still owns >> > > > > > her >> > > > > > "container" which is actually a human. Were she here the law >> > > > > > says >> > > > > > it's her decision on what's to be done with the container even >> > > > > > though >> > > > > > it's a person. But because she's gone this decision falls onto >> > > > > > her >> > > > > > husband. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > As bio-engineering becomes more advance and we start getting >> > > > > > products >> > > > > > like new organs grown specifically for you, from you, these >> > > > > > decisions >> > > > > > become verrrryyyy tricky. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Back to reality though, if it were my wife, I'd keep her on >> > > > > > life support. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:148813 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
