Its been years, and I might be wrong, what I do remember is that the Chippewa and Objibwa would get into very nasty fights in the bars in and around Kenora Ontario.
larry On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:29:10 -0600, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you sure? I was going by his post where he makes reference to an > Ojibwe-language teacher. Maybe they are subgroups? But I know nothing > at all about Chippewa, as opposed to very little about the Ojibwe. > Still, I suspect my comments still apply. Some tribes have a men's > society or a warrior society that trains young boys... I wonder if > such a group would have helped. If it was part of the culture that is. > And for all I know it is, and he turned down the opportunity to join. > > Dana > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:48:13 -0500, Larry C. Lyons > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not Objibwa, Chippewa. Different nation entirely. Same circumstances though. > > > > larry > > > > > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:29:58 -0600, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yes and there are definite issues... supposing someone had "done > > > something"? What would that have been exactly? The grandfather > > > presumably was trying. If he was a tribal police officer odds are he > > > was respected and had a good grasp of the culture. I wonder if he > > > tried any sort of ceremony. Who else was there? All of his teachers, > > > he says, were white. The Ojibwe I talked to in Sault Ste Marie > > > considered their culture endangered. Certainy it seens as though this > > > kid had some issues with cultural identity and would not have > > > responded well to a teacher reaching out, nor to a peer, all of whome > > > he considered too wrapped up in african-american culture... I don't > > > know much about Ojibwe culture but it's a shame there wasn't a warrior > > > society or something of the kind to take this kid in hand. > > > > > > I *could* point out that Gruss doesn't want us to interfere in > > > families. But that would be a cheap shot and really the kid deserves > > > more than to be a point in an ideological debate. > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:54:24 -0600, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Still sounds like a lot of kids I knew growing up that turned out > > > > fine. Sometimes it's a fine line between predicting the act and the > > > > desire. Surviving the teenage years is a bitch. It's amazing to me > > > > that so many of us do. > > > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > > > > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:20:04 -0500, Larry C. Lyons > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > But not in combination. Moreover given what the kid has gone through > > > > > in the last 5 or six years - father killing himself after a police > > > > > shootout, mother in a coma after an accident, facination with > > > > > firearms,death, dying and killing, the attraction to neonazis, major > > > > > problems with a strict and very rigid caretaker, etc., to me this > > > > > screams major problems. Hell he was arrested almost a year ago because > > > > > of a school shooting plot. In addition we're talking about a reserve > > > > > where there is over 40% unemployment, rampant alcoholism, glue > > > > > sniffing etc. > > > > > > > > > > this sounds like a fairly good set of predictors for a shooting. > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:151603 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
