As promised/threatened here's a link to that page I was mentioning,
http://www.lyonsmorris.com/test/beiHome.htm. One change however I
couldn't get the upper banner area to work properly for both FF and
IE, so that part is about the only part that is set up using a table.
Any suggestions on how to fix that problem would be appreciated.

http://www.lyonsmorris.com/test/beiHome.htm

larry

On 4/14/05, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can sympathize Matt, but it does get better. I've finished a beta of
> a page that is pure CSS and the positioning can work. It drives you
> crazy but it does work. I'll put a page up showing the example
> tonight.
> 
> larry
> 
> 
> On 4/14/05, Matthew Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > <cf_rant>
> >
> > CSS is completely useless for positioning.
> >
> > Whoever designed it has an abstract mind where things like 2 + 2 = Green.
> >
> > It's a silly waste of time to actually design a dynamic site using CSS
> > positioning.
> >
> > Table positioning is much easier to understand, and actually works the way
> > you expect it to.
> >
> > I've seen a lot of things about CSS, one of the central concepts is that
> > it's supposed to "influence" your design rather than make it fixed.
> >
> > That's the biggest problem with CSS - it does not allow you to really fix
> > things the way you want them fixed.
> >
> > I mean, how hard is it to set an anchor point - like the HTML <a> tag - and
> > then reference that point to be a relative distance from?
> >
> > Relative positioning - what a joke.
> >
> > It lets you move things from where it's SUPPOSED to be, rather than from
> > another object?
> >
> > Who's screwed up mind thought this one up?
> >
> > And then it leaves white space where your object was SUPPOSED to be.
> >
> > I've gone back to good ol' tables.
> >
> > At least there's only so many ways to render a table.
> >
> > And firefox and IE look about the same.
> >
> > I've written a haiku about this:
> >
> > CSS on web
> >
> > Crazy fools have made you up
> >
> > Death for programmers
> >
> > </cf_rant>
> >
> > - Matt Small
> >
> > 

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