> From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> I have never bothered with any pans or anything like that. If 
> the dog goes in the crate, just clean it up. If you are 
> consistent with the training, the dog will learn very quickly 
> not to go in the crate. Crate size is critical! I would 
> recommend that you take your puppy to the vet, a pet shop, or 
> a dog trainer and ask them what size crate they recommend. It 
> will most likely be a lot smaller than what you have. 

The crate needs to be large enough for the dog to turn around in and
that is it. The larger crates can be sectioned off; ours came with a
divider but our old crate did not so we made one out of plywood.

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