ok so, since past attempts to improve education have not given results you consider sufficiently quantifiable, we will no make any further attempts, is that it? Also, Terra Nova may be laughable but isn't that what they are using to measure success?
Dana On 10/7/05, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Its quite hard to teach some of the tests that are used in educational > assessment, such as the Stanford-Binet and some measures administered > and developed by the Educational Testing Service. At the same time the > NCLB tests are a farce, because they are easily accessible. As for > teaching the test, it happens in both public and charter schools. One > was closed in the DC area recently specifically because they were > doing just that. > > However the question I was addressing was educational performance and > school choice. The question being was that using market forces would > improve schools. Charter schools and school voucher programs are the > nearest analogy to the "market choice." And using measures of > educational attainment is a good performance indicator. If it can be > shown that there is no real difference between public schools and > "market choice" alternatives using objective measures that sort of > negates the idea that a free market could do better. > > As for problem solving skills etc, there are quite a few programs > teaching it, and some tests. http://www.antiwrap.com/?743 give the > results of a search on scholar.google.com <http://scholar.google.com> for > problem solving skills > and 4th grade. > > larry > > On 10/7/05, Deanna Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Larry, what that research doesn't take into account are the other things > > that parents and students might be striving for within the charter > school > > system. We place no importance in our society on emotional intelligence > or > > social competence, nor do we teach creative reasoning, problem solving, > > etc.. Those are much more difficult to test for. Traditionally, the > public > > school system has "taught to the test." I would expect the scores on the > > tests to be higher in the public (non charter) school system. Is there > any > > research out there that compares the problem-solving or higher-order > > intellect skills? The 4th grade math test is really not much more than > rote > > memorization. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:176464 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
